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Hickey's selection process....

Beyond the workman-like addressing of dire needs, his more indulgence-driven pick of Landry as a game breaker (especially when he could have alternatively taken a RB).....and most pertinently, the solid backbone accumulation of developmental players with winning mentalities and leadership qualities , clearly Hickey knows that whatever happens or doesn't to the coaching staff, his back is not to the wall.
 
Thinking you're smarter than everyone in the room and applying what you think is the best evaluation methods are not necessarily the same. A few years ago no one used Sabermetrics to measure baseball players. Now everyone does. Sometimes change seems weird but if it works then it becomes the norm. Another example is Jimmy Johnson's draft trade value chart. The true judge of Hickey's "system" will be demonstrated on the field.
 
Chubby said:
It's a boom or bust type of draft...Either he hits pay dirt or his face hits the dirt...

The reason why its scary is.... its very difficult to evaluate a player whose level of competion was subpar... for seniors the Senior Bowl is about the only real time you get to evaluate those players vs same level competition... Its a huge gamble... and its a I am smarter then everyone else move imo... which was a very Ireland type attitude... scary..

Here is hoping he hits pay dirt!!
Chubbs
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Level of competition was subpar? He drafted three players from the SEC.

Sure the the rest are small school but all round 3 and on. I honestly don't see this huge gamble you speak of.


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JTC111 said:
How about let's see how good this draft class is before we start talking about "the Hickey draft model."
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OK that's what I thought I was saying....

Each GM approaches their process of evaluating and acquiring talent differently. I was struck that less people had picked up on the frames that Hickey had suggested that he was using in his process. I found them fascinating. In particular his willingness to look at the possibility of scaling talent up to be successful at the next level of competition. Lets face it, all college players are taking a leap as they move into the pros. Its the top 4,5 to 8 players in a draft class that SEEM to be elite enough that the jump is most likely going to be successful.

What's intriguing to me is when I look at a these players: James, Landry, Turner, Aikens, Tripp or Dede - they are very fluid athletes. Again it might not work out for any or all of them but I find this common denominator very intriguing. It is in and of itself not enough....But their are ways to determine if a player's game is scalable to the next level. If Hickey nailed that (big IF) people will be talking about the Dolphins in the best way for a long time to come!
 
I think (especially in you include free agency) is this GM wants guys who bring and edge to the game....Finnegan, Delmas, Turner, Landry, and Tripp are all guys who play with an edge.

It is also more apparent that Hickey went into this draft with a very clear plan of the types of players he wanted and what players can improve the team on more then just the field. Many of the players are mature and have leadership experience...they are guys who have been praised for their consistency and work ethic and finally they were players that actually fit the offensive and defensive schemes the team plays.
 
Chubby said:
It's a boom or bust type of draft...Either he hits pay dirt or his face hits the dirt...

The reason why its scary is.... its very difficult to evaluate a player whose level of competion was subpar... for seniors the Senior Bowl is about the only real time you get to evaluate those players vs same level competition... Its a huge gamble... and its a I am smarter then everyone else move imo... which was a very Ireland type attitude... scary..

Here is hoping he hits pay dirt!!
Chubbs
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I think that Hickey's draft looks pretty good on paper but, we shall see. I agree on evaluating small school players. The Senior Bolw, etc are good to evaluate one on one play but, not a great indicaror in overall play as both teams are playing vanilla, with many substitutions. That does make a difference. JMO
 
This just in:

Hickey hasn't revolutionized anything.

Let's wait on results first before putting that kind of carriage before the horse.
 
NRA said:
i'm sorry chub but i just do not understand the hatred for dennis hickey.
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Im sorry NRA but i just do not understand the love for dennis hickey.

Its fascinating to me how one can make an argument that can so clearly apply to both the affirmative and the negative and yet be so oblivious.

NRA, Im not sure if the shoe fits you but I hope you can realize that one can speak just as passionately as you on the matter from an opposing standpoint and said standpoint would also not be incorrect.

Unless you are in some sort of "OBVIOUS know" that we are not privy to i.e. know Hickey personally (at which point bias may contaminate character assessment) why are you so certain about Chub's lack of certainty?
 
I don't see this as any sort of "boom or bust" draft either. None of these guys were taken out of nowhere for their selection. None have had histories of injuries. None were underperformers for their measurables. This is as level of a draft as any team out there.

Let's face it, draft ratings are a popularity contest. The teams with the highest rated drafts tend to be the ones with the most recognizable draftees (SF, CLE, JAX).
 
The thing that interested me the most was reading that the coaches gave presentations of the type of player they wanted to the scouts. Did the scouts then bring back potential players with gametape to the coaches to evaluate together when assigning grades? One big change is clearly general manager and coaches working together.
 
raving said:
Hickey's evaluation process may become the gold standard for the NFL. What he did during this draft was fascinating and I am surprised so few are talking about it more both nationally and on this site. Hickey has stated repeatedly that what he did was measure each player on the draft board on a number of tangible, technical skills and abilities. He did this for each player in relation to position specific qualities, like foot speed, or ability to create separation, or playing strength, or hand strength, or hip flexibility, or fluidity. Then he evaluated if the player's particular set of skills would or could scale up to the next level of competition - and that has to do with two things - tangibles and intangibles. The intangibles relate to love of the game, maturity, leadership ability and the like. The tangibles has to do with the opportunities to witness a player in action against more rugged competition...

Now of course proof is in the pudding...But even his 7th round pick Dede is a surprising athlete on film...I agree most of what I have seen of him is against much weaker competition...The questions then become about how accurate Hickey was/is about how much that player can scale his play up to the next level...But it is true that such a thing can be known more if you pick the right variables to measure...
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Booya.. #teamhickey..
 
raving said:
If Hickey nailed that (big IF) people will be talking about the Dolphins in the best way for a long time to come!
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Isn't that true of just about any new GM? Hickey didn't do anything ground-breaking here. In any given round, he either reached for a need or went BPA (according to his own board) in a one of the positions he was targeting. All of this adulation I'm seeing here is very much premature. Around this time last season there were many people on this board praising Ireland for the great draft he'd just had. It's really just fans engaging in wishful thinking. I hope as much as the next guy that Hickey nailed the draft and we're on our way back to relevancy, but until I see it happen on the field, I'm not handing Hickey a tiara.
 
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