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Hold the Presses...new possible trade partner

flintsilver7 said:
Larry Johnson, 2002: 2087 Rushing, 7.7 YPC, 349 Receiving, 20/3 TDs
Cedric Benson, 2004: 1834 Rushing, 5.6 YPC, 179 Receiving, 19/1 TDs
Ronnie Brown, 2004: 913 Rushing, 6.0 YPC, 313 Receiving, 8/1 TDs
Cadillac Williams, 2004: 1165 Rushing, 4.9 YPC, 152 Receiving, 12/1 TDs

I'd love for somebody to explain to me how Johnson isn't better than the other three.
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I didn't even have to read further. How about you take a gander at those other backs college career accomplishments instead of one season. Especially Benson's
 
Ours #2 Overall = 2600

KC = 15th Overall + 25th Overall + larry Johnson 27th overall in 03.
so thats 1050 + 720 + 680 = 2450, we still getting ripped. NO WAY!

And then, you got to discount Johnsons last two seasons. He hasn't shown much. Its not my problem he has Priest in front of him. We use that as a tool to get more, not less. The trade is 150 shy for us, plus an unproven "vet" at RB! NO THNANKS! Thrown in Tony Gonzales, with the 15th and 25th, ok then. But otherwise, they aint got nothing I want. Beat it KC!
 
finsnchips said:
Maybe... but look at the trade value chart.

I agree... #7 and #18 would be cool, but I also agree with KB, that people are undervaluing the #2 pick.
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Thats only because history is aa hard thing to replace. It takes time. its a shock to all of us that we cant get bent anymore, how do you think them GM's feel. "We could always go to Miami, and bend them like there was no tomorrow". reality has set in for the rest of the GM's in the league, that Wanny aint here no more. It's not that there isnt talent at the top, its the fact they actually have to give Saban a fair deal, one that we wont get bent on, that makes them retract. They want to see what he is made of. In defence of Wanny, he was probably an old school type of guy, were in the day, the GM's offered a "fair" deal to each other to move up. He just couldn't realize when someone was short changing him to make him counter. He would take the first deal that came along. Which is how it used to work. But no more, and Saban is doing a great job playing chess with these short changin MF's! Right on Nick.
 
KB21 said:
Washington doesn't want to trade. They want to make people think they want to trade because they look like fools for leaking their desire to get Jason Campbell with that 25th pick. They are currently conducting an internal investigation to find out who leaked the information on Campbell.

There will be no trade. There have been talks, but Miami isn't getting what they want in return. Unlike some of you, Nick isn't going to settle for less value.
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Thank goodness. All I keep hearing from fans, is "Take less". WTF is that. Then you wonder why we got the #2 pick? Its because of Wanny and his taken less/overpaying for some smuck!

If you are content on #2 (which I am), because Carnell is that good, then you dont take less. If your desperate to gather medium guys (middle round picks), then you take less. I believe in the value of a superstar.
 
I'm sure its just more BS rumors that wont happen. Larry Johnson hasn't proven himself in a couple of years. The dolphins dont need anymore "maybe, should, would, could" running backs they need one that WILL do the job.
 
beejay05 said:
Do you guys think we could get more from the skins than just a 9 and a 25. I think those are their only 2 first day picks, but i would like a 2nd or 3rd in '06?
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Add a 1st in 2006 and we're talking.
 
Looks like the first part of the rumor has been completed...now if the Dolphins trade with Washington....I fully expect the other trade with K.C.
 
KB21 said:
Washington doesn't want to trade. They want to make people think they want to trade because they look like fools for leaking their desire to get Jason Campbell with that 25th pick. They are currently conducting an internal investigation to find out who leaked the information on Campbell.

There will be no trade. There have been talks, but Miami isn't getting what they want in return. Unlike some of you, Nick isn't going to settle for less value.
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Keith...to you it appears less...but to the only person that has the decision it may appear a great deal for his team....and after all....thats all that matters.
Some how saying acquiring two first round picks a second round pick and a running back like Johnson is not enough...when you start out only with the 2nd pick and Surtain, is not thinking of whats best for the team...now and in the future...one part of the rumor has been done....till yesterday, everyone thought the surtain deal wasn't going to happen...it did...lets see what washington does...if they do trade with the Dolphins...I would say the third part with K.C. would be a done deal....and as a Dolphin fan...the thought of having two first round picks, a second round pick and a running back like Johnson would make my toes curl. GO PHINS!
 
LithoMan said:
Thank goodness. All I keep hearing from fans, is "Take less". WTF is that. Then you wonder why we got the #2 pick? Its because of Wanny and his taken less/overpaying for some smuck!

If you are content on #2 (which I am), because Carnell is that good, then you dont take less. If your desperate to gather medium guys (middle round picks), then you take less. I believe in the value of a superstar.
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Having 3 picks in the top 50 plus a running back like Johnson is not less than one pick and Surtain. Especially in this draft, especially when you are looking to trade down and so are the other top teams.
 
Schleprock said:
I didn't even have to read further. How about you take a gander at those other backs college career accomplishments instead of one season. Especially Benson's
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Benson put up his best year last year. Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams both had their second best years. You'll notice that all of these backs handled significant duties in college. Drafting Benson, for example, gives you a guy who's got 1112 carries in his college career. That's about 4 years worth of work in the NFL, so he's not exactly going to be a rookie. This is especially important considering that running back is the most physically demanding position in football. Williams also has significant mileage, but Brown has the least.

The most comparable to LJ is Brown - similar size, similar speed, and similar capabilities. By the way, it's ridiculous to blame Johnson for the coaching decisions that surrounded him in his career. Paterno doesn't like to play underclassmen if there are upperclassmen available. Johnson was always a standout player - even as an underclassmen, he excelled whenever he had the chance to play. He had limited time at running back and special teams but he was always good. I personally think he's the best back on KC's roster, but Vermeil doesn't see it that way. Johnson did what he could to prove himself this year - just like McGahee. McGahee who, by the way, only had one year in college. McGahee, by the way, who is ALSO better than all three of the backs in this draft. Even with their NFL work, they're still more of a rookie than Cedric Benson.

Don't even act like a player's sophomore and junior years come into play all that much. It does happen - like with Mike Williams - but it's the exception, not the rule. What did Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers do last year? They both had good seasons, but you don't even hear it being mentioned. If stats were all that mattered, then Timmy Chang would be a sure first rounder.
 
flintsilver7 said:
Benson put up his best year last year. Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams both had their second best years. You'll notice that all of these backs handled significant duties in college. Drafting Benson, for example, gives you a guy who's got 1112 carries in his college career. That's about 4 years worth of work in the NFL, so he's not exactly going to be a rookie. This is especially important considering that running back is the most physically demanding position in football. Williams also has significant mileage, but Brown has the least.

The most comparable to LJ is Brown - similar size, similar speed, and similar capabilities. By the way, it's ridiculous to blame Johnson for the coaching decisions that surrounded him in his career. Paterno doesn't like to play underclassmen if there are upperclassmen available. Johnson was always a standout player - even as an underclassmen, he excelled whenever he had the chance to play. He had limited time at running back and special teams but he was always good. I personally think he's the best back on KC's roster, but Vermeil doesn't see it that way. Johnson did what he could to prove himself this year - just like McGahee. McGahee who, by the way, only had one year in college. McGahee, by the way, who is ALSO better than all three of the backs in this draft. Even with their NFL work, they're still more of a rookie than Cedric Benson.

Don't even act like a player's sophomore and junior years come into play all that much. It does happen - like with Mike Williams - but it's the exception, not the rule. What did Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers do last year? They both had good seasons, but you don't even hear it being mentioned. If stats were all that mattered, then Timmy Chang would be a sure first rounder.
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Bravo!!
 
Larry Johnson = product of Kansas City o-line
 
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