Hoops scoops...fins chargers

[LDaniel7]

Moving Pouncey to guard is a great idea. Garner was just fine as the center and like Ryan said Miami actually changed up snap count.

Moving Pouncey to guard might be a freakin' great idea.

LD

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Moving Pouncey to guard might be a freakin' great idea.

LD

So you can bank on it never happening.

 

[FSU Truth]

Thats exactly why...he fits this o well but that's the extent of it...they didn't want tannehill dealing without a guy that doesn't know the o and see it like the qb does...but you have no real big play ability or upside...

Mathews is the better long term player and better pro future...they better not let that give away the way they draft

I like the prospect of Matthews and I'm glad he's getting a chance to show what he can do...too bad it had to come at the expense of Gibson....

On another topic...I've noticed how each week it seems like a different Receiver becomes the focus of Tannehill (he's still spreading the ball around), but it goes to show that he's willing (more so now) to not always rely on Hartline.

 

[hoops]

So you can bank on it never happening.

It's not status quo so I doubt it happens...these guys are late when it comes to change...IMO pouncey was a better lg than center prospect coming out cause of his movement skills but he's been a good center...still if garner can handle it which I'm not sure of yet that looks to me like our best move...athletically though garner is not close to pouncey and it's why we didn't call many screen plays or pulling plays where the center was out in front...the opposition will adjust

 

[hoops]

I like the prospect of Matthews and I'm glad he's getting a chance to show what he can do...too bad it had to come at the expense of Gibson....

On another topic...I've noticed how each week it seems like a different Receiver becomes the focus of Tannehill (he's still spreading the ball around), but it goes to show that he's willing (more so now) to not always rely on Hartline.

Ball goes where coverage presnap dictates it...alwAys has with this qb in this o always will if an efficient qb is running it

 

[roy_miami]

Move Pouncey to guard and all of a sudden we have 15 more voice messages of Incognito using the N word.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

:sidelol:

It's not status quo so I doubt it happens...these guys are late when it comes to change...IMO pouncey was a better lg than center prospect coming out cause of his movement skills but he's been a good center...still if garner can handle it which I'm not sure of yet that looks to me like our best move...athletically though garner is not close to pouncey and it's why we didn't call many screen plays or pulling plays where the center was out in front...the opposition will adjust

Just once I want the coaching staff to be proactive. Just once. Take a chance... something.

I mean, I know they don't run the personnel department, but this whole team is just completely reactive, and in slow fashion. You didn't sign McKinnie in the offseason, fine. But trade for him during the damn bye week. Maybe you win that Bills game on that move.

 

[RobertHorry]

I keep hearing how good his body control and balance is...he's a good route runner that somehow gets DBS to open their hips despite no rac threat or vertical speed who does nothing in the red...yet somehow a possession wr who falls at a stiff wind gets a 30 mil plus contract...he got the last laugh...

He does run good routes but the cushions he gets are assanine

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Your last 2 lines other than adding in our oline play summarize 2013 in a nutshell...this defense is so much hype

He gets DBs to open their hips because he is extremely smart when running his routes. Watch his comebacks/curls today. He starts a little slow every time and then accelerates before chopping his feet and throwing his head. That's textbook on how to get DBs to open their hips. He understands leverage very very very well.

He also has terrible form catching the ball as well.

 

[hoops]

The thing I don't like about brenner is he looks like he's 285 out there...he looks small...undersized...

 

[hoops]

He gets DBs to open their hips because he is extremely smart when running his routes. Watch his comebacks/curls today. He starts a little slow every time and then accelerates before chopping his feet and throwing his head. That's textbook on how to get DBs to open their hips. He understands leverage very very very well.

He also has terrible form catching the ball as well.

Yeah I know but dam somebody jump the fact that he can't run by you especially when you have help over the top...IMO he's the perfect bait wr..,play off drop a guy underneath when he breaks off at the sticks...surprised we don't see more of it

His routes are so dictated by down and distance...

 

[LDaniel7]

Ryan tannehill let's get into his night...threw a come back on 2nd and long to hartline where if he doesn't fall down the chargers can never set up the long down and distances coverage call to undercut hartline at the sticks on 3rd and very long...the slot defender dropping out into that hole was a direct reflection of film study and keying hartlines routes in scenarios and knowing that he's a run to the sticks and show your numbers wr in that scenario...we got baited...complete product off film study and hartline falling down on 2nd and long...

if I'm being honest hartline the first 3 quarters was awful...dropped a ball on a crosser worried about contact
from the lb he was invading in the red on the first drive fell down on a come back that set up the int on the next play fumbled a ball at the goal line we got bailed out on by a roughing call which was legit...bounced back late in the 4th quarter but IMO Rishard Mathews should be the 2 wr on this team...I don't get why DBS give hartline so much cushion when he is absolutely a to the sticks wr...I guess it's his route running...
...

Hartline is an eminently mediocre WR who struggles even against non-top-flight DBs. He never out-physicals and simply cannot outrun. So his route running gets him completions... but for DBs who do their homework, this sets up routes being jumped. And picks. Hartline is not fast enough to beat DBs to the spot, nor physical enough to win contested passes, nor fast enough to challenge teams downfield. He's a good route runner who's supposed to be 1. Tough, w. 2. Great hands.

He's neither, in actuality. He has decent hands, not great. And he almost single-handedly cost the game today.

1. Falling down, creating the down and distance and tendency on the pick.
2. Fumbling (getting bailed out by PF roughing the passer call).
3. Dropping 1st down pass in 4th quarter. Crunch time.

He's a WR that always seems to be physically overmatched -- 90 percent of his catches are parallel or coming back to the LOS. Which means SO VERY LITTLE pressure on Ds -- but it's all he's got. He can't outrun or out-physical DBs.

One reason why I went crazy in the off-season, when they signed Hartline to that fat contract to be a number 2 -- I knew then, and told everyone who would listen that we were dooming the position to mediocrity. And so, so true.

We need a talented number 2 WR so badly.

LD

 

[RobertHorry]

Yeah I know but dam somebody jump the fact that he can't run by you especially when you have help over the top...IMO he's the perfect bait wr..,play off drop a guy underneath when he breaks off at the sticks...surprised we don't see more of it

The thing is speed is not a huge deal on how to get by someone. If you understand leverage really well, understand how to sink hips and plant your foot, you can burn CB's deep even if you run a 4.8.

 

[hoops]

Hartline is an eminently mediocre WR who struggles even against non-top-flight DBs. He never out-physicals and simply cannot outrun. So his route running gets him completions... but for DBs who do their homework, this sets up routes being jumped. And picks. Hartline is not fast enough to beat DBs to the spot, nor physical enough to win contested passes, nor fast enough to challenge teams downfield. He's a good route runner who's supposed to be 1. Tough, w. 2. Great hands.

He's neither, in actuality. He has decent hands, not great. And he almost single-handedly cost the game today.

1. Falling down, creating the down and distance and tendency on the pick.
2. Fumbling (getting bailed out by PF roughing the passer call).
3. Dropping 1st down pass in 4th quarter. Crunch time.

He's a WR that always seems to be physically overmatched -- 90 percent of his catches are parallel or coming back to the LOS. Which means SO VERY LITTLE pressure on Ds -- but it's all he's got. He can't outrun or out-physical DBs.

One reason why I went crazy in the off-season, when they signed Hartline to that fat contract to be a number 2 -- I knew then, and told everyone who would listen that we were dooming the position to mediocrity. And so, so true.

We need a talented number 2 WR so badly.

LD

Damn it's hard to argue with that...I think you nailed him...but Mathews for instance right now lacks his polish...that said you can find wrs with more upside than hartline about anywhere...

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The thing is speed is not a huge deal on how to get by someone. If you understand leverage really well, understand how to sink hips and plant your foot, you can burn CB's deep even if you run a 4.8.

Ehh those are few and far between at this level...but I get your point...4.8 as a prospect you better show you can separate on tape vs fast guys but even then you gonna tAke a major hit

 

[hoops]

You play outside leverage off coverage hartline gonna run a slant...drop a lb underneath and jump that ****...he's the bait wr cause he can't win physically and he lacks run away speed so you can guess and you know certain routes are coming off leverage or down and distance

 

[samikit13]

Im just curious, hooshoops.... I like the analysis on the game but what's with the run-on sentences and lack of proper punctuation?