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hoops scoops...potential #19 pick lb cj mosley tale of the tape

I like Mosley, but just not blown away with him. I think because the ILB position is not great this year he is probably pushed higher than if the class was deeper. IMO he would have a second round grade. I would rather take Shazier over Mosley at #19 if I am taking a LB as I think he has more upside and more play making ability. With that being said not sure I would take either. I am leaning towards a DB, WR or Ebron at #19, but I really hope they trade back and get additional picks in rounds 2-4 where the real strength of this draft is.
 
Nice Poop shoots
I would be on board with Moseley if Ebron isn't there and if we get a tackle with the next pick.
As far as his ceiling: I don't think we need a all pro at ILB. We need someone solid that doesn't miss tackles and is abover average in coverage. I think its a huge upgrade and will help a lot with our horrid run defense.
I think solid linebacker play coupled with dynamic pass rush and good corners is a recipe for success.
 
Better question.

Does Mosley get a first round grade off his talent? Or because he is the best LB in the draft?

Basically, yes Mosley is arguably the #1 LB in the draft but even at #1 is he first round material? Or will need force him into a round 1 slot.
 
Hoops - how far do you rate Chris Borland below Mosley? Borland is short but has great instincts and courage. If Borland is not that far below Mosley, he could be the better player to Draft later and still getting the O-lineman we need. It's the dilemma we have from multiple needs.
 
spiketex said:
Hoops - how far do you rate Chris Borland below Mosley? Borland is short but has great instincts and courage. If Borland is not that far below Mosley, he could be the better player to Draft later and still getting the O-lineman we need. It's the dilemma we have from multiple needs.
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My feeling is Borland is a better value as I don't think is production will be much different than Mosley's in the right situations. However, the same as Mosley I think Borland will be overdrafted due to a thin class at ILB. I have Borland with a 4th round grade.
 
MRojas4 said:
Better question.

Does Mosley get a first round grade off his talent? Or because he is the best LB in the draft?

Basically, yes Mosley is arguably the #1 LB in the draft but even at #1 is he first round material? Or will need force him into a round 1 slot.
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there's some concerns here for sure about the ceiling of the player...maybe it has been reached even...but it's lb not edge pass rusher where the explosion tools must translate to validate a top 20 grade for me etc and where the "upside" conversation comes more into play...

the position is all about instincts the elite level guys have elite level instincts in addition to elite level athleticism and can play every down...mosley has the instincts he has the awareness he is not an elite level athlete but he's 6 ft 2 234 lbs long arms over 33 inches even and he can run mid 4.6's...those are every down lb credentials...most your average or below average lbs that play every down can match a lot of the athletic numbers but they are lost when it comes to read and dx and cant match the ball awareness

it's a little lighter than you'd prefer more in the 240 range is ideal but if i stick with what i must see in order to validate a 1st round grade at the position and my thoughts that he doesnt have to come off the field on 3rd down yes it validates round 1 to me...i'm not sure what people are seeing to say he's a poor coverage lb...looks like a strength to me...
 
spiketex said:
Hoops - how far do you rate Chris Borland below Mosley? Borland is short but has great instincts and courage. If Borland is not that far below Mosley, he could be the better player to Draft later and still getting the O-lineman we need. It's the dilemma we have from multiple needs.
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borlands instincts are top level and so that right there means i have a soft spot for him but he plays small is a average at best athlete and he can dive and tackle from poor angles...he doesnt show anywhere near the same coverage abilities as mosley...he may overcome his physical limitations cause of his instincts and his read and react abilities and he definitely shows good awareness for the position but i don't think you can just plug that in as an every down lb from the get go cause of the athletic limitations and i would draft him accordingly because of that...undersized short arms concerns in the nickle in coverage and on top of that two shoulder surgeries already means medical to deal with also

that said he's the toughest grade in this class for me...people are gonna be really right here or really wrong i don't see any in between really...
 
I will say e guy is almost never out of position...wish he was a little stronger, but his speed to fill and make plays makes up for that....
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
Well, I don't have your cred Hoops but my eyes tell me a totally different story. He is a LB at the top of his game that will never get any better. He is slow for NFL standards and has a very low ceiling. He does not have excellent run play recogintion, average maybe, but not off the charts good. I will agree he is quite good in zone at reading the play but in man to man he will be a liablity. He will translate to being a solid pro, but by no means a game changer. He will play the middle like Koa plays the SOLB, and to me that just isn't good enough for the 19th pick. Add in the medical question marks as well as the Alabama records for putting players in the NFL and there are a lot of other options that I would be more excited about.

For my money give me Shazier. He is no where near as polished as Mosley but the upside is much higher. We have enough safe role players on this team, give me some game changers. If there is one guy in the 1st rd I DON'T want it is CJ Mosley.
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I concur. That's also what I see from the tape. Solid but not great. IMO, we will definitely have better options @ 19. Besides an OL, Calvin Pryor comes to mind.
 
ConvenientTruth said:
I will say e guy is almost never out of position...wish he was a little stronger, but his speed to fill and make plays makes up for that....
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true...never out of position...where he should be...is that a mastered the scheme thing though or a player that just shows such good awareness at the position...i lean more toward the latter but i get where people might question it...stronger would be nice...more pop on contact more shock in his hands...but he's light and he looks a little light...and so you don't get a lot of those special plays on contact...but you do get the max effort on it...not ryan shazier light on tape mind you but light...
 
hooshoops said:
that said he's the toughest grade in this class for me...people are gonna be really right here or really wrong i don't see any in between really...
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Hickey, as a brand new GM will probably err on the side of being conservative and not take the risk. He will probably look elsewhere for value in a later round. It is too easy to make a good case not to pick Borland but I like him a lot.
 
I don't think there's even a question that this guy is 1st round talent. I can't see how anyone could make a case that CJ Mosely is 2nd round talent.

My only reservation about drafting him at #19 is because we have greater needs and because of medical reasons. But to say this guy isn't 1st round talent is just way off.
 
Zounds said:
I don't think there's even a question that this guy is 1st round talent. I can't see how anyone could make a case that CJ Mosely is 2nd round talent.

My only reservation about drafting him at #19 is because we have greater needs and because of medical reasons. But to say this guy isn't 1st round talent is just way off.
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So your opinion is fact??? OOOOOOOKKKKKK
 
Zounds said:
I don't think there's even a question that this guy is 1st round talent. I can't see how anyone could make a case that CJ Mosely is 2nd round talent.

My only reservation about drafting him at #19 is because we have greater needs and because of medical reasons. But to say this guy isn't 1st round talent is just way off.
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How I feel exactly.

IMO looking at draft, he would be the BPA at #19. A LB core of Jordan, Mosley & Misi fills every need IMO.
 
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