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Hoops scoops…this front office and qb got to go!

My issue with Chris Grier dates back to the 2020 and 2021 drafts. We had 5 1st round picks, 4 2nd round picks and 3-4 seasons later zero All-Pro level players. Beyond that, both of those drafts had excellent OL, WR and EDGE players. Somehow we still needed to trade the farm for Hill, trade a 1st and more for Chubb and give a large contract to an injury prone LT when McDaniel took over.

This team went from one of the youngest in the NFL to the oldest team in the NFL because we had no draft picks for 2 seasons and only brought in aging vets chasing a ring.

I don’t see how Grier and McDaniel survive this season unless one of our practice squad QBs goes Nick Foles.
My only comment would be that we gave Grier a decade with not a single impressive result to this date.

Every player that has been impressive has been imported. He just can’t draft.
But, on the other side McDaniel did get us the number one offense in the entire NFL with a very limited QB, a very bad and injured OL and without a 3rd WR or a TE worth a damn.

He needs to take advice on game management and play calling. He needs some old experienced man to stop him from going on fourth and three on the first half with a close game.

This offensive genius has indeed shown us he can elaborate amazing plays.
No team can compete with top level teams when injury bug hits that hard and there are not any quality replacements.

I’ll give Mike many more chances, but I would put an experienced play caller attached to him. And I am curious to see what can he do with a double threat kind of QB. That’s why I would love to see how can he gameplan for Huntley and if something promising arises then next move would be upgrading on a double threat QB.
 
didn't say that. but there are a lot of reasons we have a 24 year old playoff win drought
one reason is not making the playoffs many times except for the last two years. Tannehill was part of that.

other people who are to blame
Ross Grier Philbin Gase, Parcells, Ireland, Cam Cameron, previous owner, Nick Saban, Flores, Mcdaniel, Tua, Tannehill. Even more. Lots of reasons for this 24 year old playoff win drought or whatever it is.

Present. We got issues. But NFL can change quickly. I have no idea what will happen this year.

If we don't split next 4 games. I am full on tank. If we split next 4 then lets see what happens.

But either way next year. I doubt ross fires grier. He will want to keep mcdaniel and grier together for one more year because there is no in fighting between them. The other coaches like phiblin and Flores had a lot of in fighting.
I bet he puts mandate to get a really good back up qb and upgrade online with as many assets as possible.

That won't be enough but it would help.
I think we need to upgrade dline too. I think we need tougher camp with more hitting.
For Tannehill to have led this team to the promised land, with the rosters he shared the field with (not to mention the coaching staffs), he'd have had to have been the 2nd coming of Dan Marino.

We had our legendary, truly generational QB, and the organization wasted his amazing career...I wonder how many years have to pass for the football gods to believe we deserve another one.
 
“Guess who’s back…back again…guess who’s back…tell a friend”

Someone needs to come in here and tell it like it is…and well I’m just that person. As usual if you don’t like it I don’t care.

This franchise now has the longest non playoff win drought in the nfl. Who has been in the building for the duration of that drought I ask you? Why none other than chris me and my brother should probably switch sports Grier.

All he’s done since he became the gm is pass accountability to others. Hemorrhage money on bad contracts and fail in the draft to maximize the return pick asset wise on a yearly basis in the draft.

Now we are stuck with the worst qb contract in football and don’t kid yourself it’s the worst on a guy who may well down the road die even on the field. Instead of forcing Tua to play on tbat 5th year option we gave top money to a qb who while a great person and heck I’d even be proud to have him marry my daughter even which speaks to his character is now has finished 2 of his first 4 years out for the season and likely will finish his 5th year the same way. In addition this qb has fenced twice already on the field and has his head bounce off the turf on a pretty much weekly basis in some form or another. Weight gain weight loss fat as a deer tick tua or weight watchers tua it doesn’t matter. This same qb is now 1- whatever vs the bills and we as a team are now 1-12 in our last 13 vs the bills. We aren’t competition for Buffalo or rivals we are camp fodder like the 3 qbs we have in the building now behind tua. We are buffalos bitch!!!

And now you want to make me watch skylar Thompson butcher the position? Why not just take a hot poker to my eyes instead. Tyler Huntley, Tim Boyle? 🤮

In addition this qb tua has played sub standard ball and replace me level ball even down the stretch in each of the seasons he actually has finished. That int into 2 deep coverage vs Buffalo where the safety post snap had the leverage and the route was into the leverage week 18 with everything on the line by tua was more matt moore than franchise qb stuff. It was one of the worst pre to post snap decisions ive ever seen and I broke down qb tape for years.

Miami has no Josh Allen offset I screamed for years about the need for it especially when this qb tua isn’t in an offense that features qb process and is basically very qb friendly but not much qb freedom which is what McDaniel has brought to Miami.

Miami needs to pray that Tua is cleared and retired cause otherwise this contracr will be an albatross for the next half decade with this team and stuck with a qb and offensive system that to this day I still can’t say what level processer he is which was suppose to carry him in the pros. I’ll say the sniffs I have gotten haven’t lead me to believe he should have more on his plate. Given that he’s a system qb in a system that many qbs could run. Just minus the athletic ability that many qbs possess to make teams have to prepare for 2 way threat qbs.

Im sorry Tua but do the team a favor and retire. Take your $47 mil and walk. You weee never getting us over the hump with Josh Allen anyways. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze any more.

Back to the gm. Do I really want to to give this clown another bite at the qb draft apple? Yikes.

Let’s see. Raekwon Davis non existent 2nd round pick gone under your watch. Traded Laremy Tunsil for a slew of picks in a move to get in position for a qb that qb thing has failed. Yeah sure the numbers are there but this teams record vs playoff caliber teams is a joke and shows how much of a pretender we are. They are largely empty numbers.

Liam eichenberg stinks anywhere you put him 2nd round pick fail. Should have cut that years ago instead we start him. Belongs in the ufl.

Tagged Mike gesicki and his 1 catch for 8 yard average paying him north of $10 mil that year when anyone with an ounce of clue knew that we should have let him walk. Addition by subtraction. 2nd round pick fail.

Drafted a position less player in round 3 in the I guess lb Channing tindall. Dudes not even active in year 3 fail. And these are just off the top of my head.

This gms record on day 2 of the draft is a joke. The round one record is not maximizing return either. Yeah we traded out from 3 to 6 and then 12 and everyone tbinks we cleaned house. Well guess out you missed out on better players everywhere along the way. The best draft in maybe my entire scouting career and while you did good you could have done better. That draft has hall of famers written all over it already.

Let’s talk about extending guys when we didn’t need to. Mcd falls in on this too I’m sure. Kicker extension a year early. Fullback who was out of the league the year prior ingold pulls down 3 and 17 mil for what when we control him at least another year. All of these while we controlled them another year or more.

Making Ramsey the highest paid corner when you still control him. Making reek and his off the field never ending concerns a highest paid wr when you control him.

This interior oline which is probably the worst unit in the entire league. A 290 lb center that is owed 5 mil next year regardless if he’s here or not. Sure mcds scheme helps the oline and your banking on it with your smug comments about everyone is worried about the oline but us well how’d that look to you when Buffalo went into a 2 deep shell and you couldn’t run the damn ball situationally despite it? Why? Cause your interior oline sucks.

Get used to it cause one thing I know is this is a copy cat league and they know your interior oline blows. Gonna see a lot of coverage over your 2 Smurf WRs coming. With no offset to be found other than achane who at 188 lbs is being used like Adrian Peterson or something by this dumb head coach.

Speaking of the head coach burns timeouts like my grandpa burns cigarettes. Must be taking hits off his vape when it’s time to get plays in. Wanted Jonnu smith and obj like those 2 clown adds would get this team over the Buffalo bump. Jonnu has always been system based production and obj cares more about his instagram than football these days and will complain to no end if and when he does come back when he isn’t being fed the ball when he’s the backside progression in an offense that doesn’t ask the qb to get to the backside very often. An offense where 80 percent of the primary’s are open by design. Another reason 14 ints by the qb is way way too many. But I digress. This same head coach saved waddle from the week 18 must win home game for the kc playoff where the qb couldn’t execute lateral throws behind the los in those elements let alone anytbing down the damn field. Duke Riley in that game avoided even 2 hand touch and yet he’s still on this roster. Embarrassing. Wonder if you wore them capri pants to that one?

Let’s talk about this last draft if that didn’t scream to you I’m safe as a gm and head coach nothing does. First 2 day picks on projects and a trade for a 4th rb lol. Job well done Grier. Your 2nd round pick Paul has the redirect and short area quickness of an aircraft carrier he already looks more destined to be kicked inside to left guard down the road than to even make it as the active swing 3rd tackle. Fail. Don’t know why I’m surprised these dudes can’t evaluate oline play if their lives depended on it.

We got the smallest skill group in the league smallest catch radius in the league 3rd and 4th WRs feature Robbie I would t choose you in flag chosen alright and berrios who has zero value as a wr option.

This team has failed to get what it needs for the last 2 years more than anything with this size skill a true flex difference maker at the tight end spot. And sure enough when exactly what we need comes along to pair with all this Smurf skill in Brock bowers and he gets out of the top 10 this clown gm is sitting on his hands and clueless. Same for the head coach who should never wear them gold glasses on the sideline again. Go back to the nerd look you will be a vaping oc career guy at the rate you are going in no time.

Which leads me to the owner the corpse who allows these things to continuously happen. To have his money continuously hemorrhaged over and over on bad contracts and bad draft picks and asset and personnel mismanagement. I feel bad for ya Ross but you are being fed a bunch of bs by these folks you appointed. Hold someone accountable step up and force change. Come out and say win or else I don’t care about attrition or any of that you guys built it and you will walk the plank of it doesn’t win. Period. But no I’m fully convinced this front office as a whole is content with being a fringe playoff team and never winning anything if they don’t win the division and get home playoff games. It’s our only chance under this style offense and qb combo and head coach combo. How else can you allow this gm and head coach to come on end of year after yet another fall off the table season and raping at kc no less and drop a smug presser and laughing and joking about it like they don’t have a care in the world.

Do better Ross. Or pass away and let someone else try.

Hoops out ✌️

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I apologize - I was posting at work and got interrupted so I went back and edited my post with my reasons. Interestingly, they were the same flaws that you pointed out.

I would add though that he fails to tailor the scheme to the personnel that he has rather than what he wants to run.
Fair points though I don’t necessarily agree with your last point about him / the team being soft. We need to work harder - djphinphan pointed out how light a lot of our practices seemed

And what you just said about tailoring the scene is so true and we’re about to find out in the next few games how he can adjust. I’d also say he probably tailored the scheme for Tua and what his strengths were (to begin with)

Now he just needs to not be so rigid in his ways

Have a good day at work man!
 
“Guess who’s back…back again…guess who’s back…tell a friend”

Someone needs to come in here and tell it like it is…and well I’m just that person. As usual if you don’t like it I don’t care.

This franchise now has the longest non playoff win drought in the nfl. Who has been in the building for the duration of that drought I ask you? Why none other than chris me and my brother should probably switch sports Grier.

All he’s done since he became the gm is pass accountability to others. Hemorrhage money on bad contracts and fail in the draft to maximize the return pick asset wise on a yearly basis in the draft.

Now we are stuck with the worst qb contract in football and don’t kid yourself it’s the worst on a guy who may well down the road die even on the field. Instead of forcing Tua to play on tbat 5th year option we gave top money to a qb who while a great person and heck I’d even be proud to have him marry my daughter even which speaks to his character is now has finished 2 of his first 4 years out for the season and likely will finish his 5th year the same way. In addition this qb has fenced twice already on the field and has his head bounce off the turf on a pretty much weekly basis in some form or another. Weight gain weight loss fat as a deer tick tua or weight watchers tua it doesn’t matter. This same qb is now 1- whatever vs the bills and we as a team are now 1-12 in our last 13 vs the bills. We aren’t competition for Buffalo or rivals we are camp fodder like the 3 qbs we have in the building now behind tua. We are buffalos bitch!!!

And now you want to make me watch skylar Thompson butcher the position? Why not just take a hot poker to my eyes instead. Tyler Huntley, Tim Boyle? 🤮

In addition this qb tua has played sub standard ball and replace me level ball even down the stretch in each of the seasons he actually has finished. That int into 2 deep coverage vs Buffalo where the safety post snap had the leverage and the route was into the leverage week 18 with everything on the line by tua was more matt moore than franchise qb stuff. It was one of the worst pre to post snap decisions ive ever seen and I broke down qb tape for years.

Miami has no Josh Allen offset I screamed for years about the need for it especially when this qb tua isn’t in an offense that features qb process and is basically very qb friendly but not much qb freedom which is what McDaniel has brought to Miami.

Miami needs to pray that Tua is cleared and retired cause otherwise this contracr will be an albatross for the next half decade with this team and stuck with a qb and offensive system that to this day I still can’t say what level processer he is which was suppose to carry him in the pros. I’ll say the sniffs I have gotten haven’t lead me to believe he should have more on his plate. Given that he’s a system qb in a system that many qbs could run. Just minus the athletic ability that many qbs possess to make teams have to prepare for 2 way threat qbs.

Im sorry Tua but do the team a favor and retire. Take your $47 mil and walk. You weee never getting us over the hump with Josh Allen anyways. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze any more.

Back to the gm. Do I really want to to give this clown another bite at the qb draft apple? Yikes.

Let’s see. Raekwon Davis non existent 2nd round pick gone under your watch. Traded Laremy Tunsil for a slew of picks in a move to get in position for a qb that qb thing has failed. Yeah sure the numbers are there but this teams record vs playoff caliber teams is a joke and shows how much of a pretender we are. They are largely empty numbers.

Liam eichenberg stinks anywhere you put him 2nd round pick fail. Should have cut that years ago instead we start him. Belongs in the ufl.

Tagged Mike gesicki and his 1 catch for 8 yard average paying him north of $10 mil that year when anyone with an ounce of clue knew that we should have let him walk. Addition by subtraction. 2nd round pick fail.

Drafted a position less player in round 3 in the I guess lb Channing tindall. Dudes not even active in year 3 fail. And these are just off the top of my head.

This gms record on day 2 of the draft is a joke. The round one record is not maximizing return either. Yeah we traded out from 3 to 6 and then 12 and everyone tbinks we cleaned house. Well guess out you missed out on better players everywhere along the way. The best draft in maybe my entire scouting career and while you did good you could have done better. That draft has hall of famers written all over it already.

Let’s talk about extending guys when we didn’t need to. Mcd falls in on this too I’m sure. Kicker extension a year early. Fullback who was out of the league the year prior ingold pulls down 3 and 17 mil for what when we control him at least another year. All of these while we controlled them another year or more.

Making Ramsey the highest paid corner when you still control him. Making reek and his off the field never ending concerns a highest paid wr when you control him.

This interior oline which is probably the worst unit in the entire league. A 290 lb center that is owed 5 mil next year regardless if he’s here or not. Sure mcds scheme helps the oline and your banking on it with your smug comments about everyone is worried about the oline but us well how’d that look to you when Buffalo went into a 2 deep shell and you couldn’t run the damn ball situationally despite it? Why? Cause your interior oline sucks.

Get used to it cause one thing I know is this is a copy cat league and they know your interior oline blows. Gonna see a lot of coverage over your 2 Smurf WRs coming. With no offset to be found other than achane who at 188 lbs is being used like Adrian Peterson or something by this dumb head coach.

Speaking of the head coach burns timeouts like my grandpa burns cigarettes. Must be taking hits off his vape when it’s time to get plays in. Wanted Jonnu smith and obj like those 2 clown adds would get this team over the Buffalo bump. Jonnu has always been system based production and obj cares more about his instagram than football these days and will complain to no end if and when he does come back when he isn’t being fed the ball when he’s the backside progression in an offense that doesn’t ask the qb to get to the backside very often. An offense where 80 percent of the primary’s are open by design. Another reason 14 ints by the qb is way way too many. But I digress. This same head coach saved waddle from the week 18 must win home game for the kc playoff where the qb couldn’t execute lateral throws behind the los in those elements let alone anytbing down the damn field. Duke Riley in that game avoided even 2 hand touch and yet he’s still on this roster. Embarrassing. Wonder if you wore them capri pants to that one?

Let’s talk about this last draft if that didn’t scream to you I’m safe as a gm and head coach nothing does. First 2 day picks on projects and a trade for a 4th rb lol. Job well done Grier. Your 2nd round pick Paul has the redirect and short area quickness of an aircraft carrier he already looks more destined to be kicked inside to left guard down the road than to even make it as the active swing 3rd tackle. Fail. Don’t know why I’m surprised these dudes can’t evaluate oline play if their lives depended on it.

We got the smallest skill group in the league smallest catch radius in the league 3rd and 4th WRs feature Robbie I would t choose you in flag chosen alright and berrios who has zero value as a wr option.

This team has failed to get what it needs for the last 2 years more than anything with this size skill a true flex difference maker at the tight end spot. And sure enough when exactly what we need comes along to pair with all this Smurf skill in Brock bowers and he gets out of the top 10 this clown gm is sitting on his hands and clueless. Same for the head coach who should never wear them gold glasses on the sideline again. Go back to the nerd look you will be a vaping oc career guy at the rate you are going in no time.

Which leads me to the owner the corpse who allows these things to continuously happen. To have his money continuously hemorrhaged over and over on bad contracts and bad draft picks and asset and personnel mismanagement. I feel bad for ya Ross but you are being fed a bunch of bs by these folks you appointed. Hold someone accountable step up and force change. Come out and say win or else I don’t care about attrition or any of that you guys built it and you will walk the plank of it doesn’t win. Period. But no I’m fully convinced this front office as a whole is content with being a fringe playoff team and never winning anything if they don’t win the division and get home playoff games. It’s our only chance under this style offense and qb combo and head coach combo. How else can you allow this gm and head coach to come on end of year after yet another fall off the table season and raping at kc no less and drop a smug presser and laughing and joking about it like they don’t have a care in the world.

Do better Ross. Or pass away and let someone else try.

Hoops out ✌️

So glad to know the site is littered with so many messiahs. Can’t have enough of those.

Am not going to waste 2 minutes reading a 10,000 word essay on nothingness.

Life is too short to waste on complaining. Enjoy your life sir. It’s just a game.
 
Ross is not selling the team. So the next thing is new GM and new HC. I don't need to make an argument to fire CG he needs to go immediately. MD however (why did they extend him?) needs to be shown the door as well. MD is not a leader of men. He is a nice guy, quirky and intelligent. He is an OC...but I don't think he can galvanize a team and lead them.

I think Vrabel could be a good coach...2nd time around. I don't like the fact that Bellicheck is still hanging the weeds....Ross could think he is the answer and I donno. BB as GM and Vrabel as HC...can't be worse than this! or could it?
 
Ross is not selling the team. So the next thing is new GM and new HC. I don't need to make an argument to fire CG he needs to go immediately. MD however (why did they extend him?) needs to be shown the door as well. MD is not a leader of men. He is a nice guy, quirky and intelligent. He is an OC...but I don't think he can galvanize a team and lead them.

I think Vrabel could be a good coach...2nd time around. I don't like the fact that Bellicheck is still hanging the weeds....Ross could think he is the answer and I donno. BB as GM and Vrabel as HC...can't be worse than this! or could it?
Oh you think you couldn't get any more depressed?

Ross:

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My issue with Chris Grier dates back to the 2020 and 2021 drafts. We had 5 1st round picks, 4 2nd round picks and 3-4 seasons later zero All-Pro level players. Beyond that, both of those drafts had excellent OL, WR and EDGE players. Somehow we still needed to trade the farm for Hill, trade a 1st and more for Chubb and give a large contract to an injury prone LT when McDaniel took over.

This team went from one of the youngest in the NFL to the oldest team in the NFL because we had no draft picks for 2 seasons and only brought in aging vets chasing a ring.

I don’t see how Grier and McDaniel survive this season unless one of our practice squad QBs goes Nick Foles.

I think McDaniel survives and at this point Grier is Rasputin.
This whole "picks and money" to rebuild rarely works because statistically you're going to miss on a good amount of those picks and probably traded away good players to get those picks.
The only person who benefitted was Grier, who collected 7 figures without having to worry about accountability during this "rebuild".
The right course of action is probably hire a new gm to make picks and keep the talent you have.
 
My only comment would be that we gave Grier a decade with not a single impressive result to this date.

Every player that has been impressive has been imported. He just can’t draft.
But, on the other side McDaniel did get us the number one offense in the entire NFL with a very limited QB, a very bad and injured OL and without a 3rd WR or a TE worth a damn.

He needs to take advice on game management and play calling. He needs some old experienced man to stop him from going on fourth and three on the first half with a close game.

This offensive genius has indeed shown us he can elaborate amazing plays.
No team can compete with top level teams when injury bug hits that hard and there are not any quality replacements.

I’ll give Mike many more chances, but I would put an experienced play caller attached to him. And I am curious to see what can he do with a double threat kind of QB. That’s why I would love to see how can he gameplan for Huntley and if something promising arises then next move would be upgrading on a double threat QB.

If McDaniel can get a respectable line, I think he is worth keeping.
 
I would consider mcdaniel although i tbink he is proving that hes terrible with personnel management. I will say however that if you try to run any kind of more drop back and go thru progressions passing game behind this interior oline its gonna show 100 times worse and your gonna be getting your qb killed. There is no doubt that mcds scheme helps the oline show better than it would just like there’s no doubt that it inflates the qb ratings on a gamely basis. This offense is designed for the qb to succeed and to get the ball out quick which is great for Tua but doesn’t travel well and despite it the small skill leads to teams saying ok we will sit back and not let reek and waddle get over the top and you will have to run the ball. Which considering that any head coach/gm worth his salt would say umm I need to either add another legit skill piece to offset (ie flex difference maker) or I need to invest more in my interior oline.

Neither of which has this gm or head coach done to date. They’ve basically laughed at you for questioning them. Well jokes on them now.

They basically said Jonnu and obj fix things which is laughable in and of itself.

And look im not coming by here to argue with anyone . If you can’t see the writing on the wall here by now you probably never will and that’s up to you. This will be the only thread I post in outside of the memorial one for my fallen discord chat friend who I and my chat buddies miss dearly. Life it too short like someone already said here and I get that. I’m just not gonna sweep it under the rug anymore.

And yes Travis is correct things are dire indeed. Thus I brought a scoops out of the wood work.
 
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I think Miami won with Thompson against New York. But that's a fair point. I questioned the Dolphins backup quarterback talent going into the season, which has to be a strength IMO with Tua's injury history.

But I also recognize that there's a lot of football left, and strange things happen early in the season. I'm sure Dallas fans weren't expecting the type of game they had against New Orleans.

That said, it's hard not to be in a negative space as a Miami fan right now. Not matching up well against Buffalo makes me lean towards Hoops assessment. This team badly needs to be more physical to have chance against physical teams.

Can that happen with Grier and McDaniel? Weaver seems to have the defense (maybe) heading in the right direction 🤔
Thank You, I forgot about the Jets, I just don't see McDaniel like some do, for a smart guy he never makes adjustments. He will not tailor an offense to suit the QB in front of him. I sit there and watch LaFleur win with a QB that was signed a week before while we have had Thompson in this system for two years.

I see a Capri wearing, country club having atmosphere and kissing of players, load management, players just coming out of games on key drives (Armstead, Waddle, Hill) and that shows me and tells me that he does not have a tough enough mindset to turn this team into a physical team. We were closer to that with Flores but he wasn't the answer either, this coach may be "loved" by his players but that is because he is soft as Hell.
 
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