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Hoops scoops…this front office and qb got to go!

quasi said:
Finally the shitting on Grier has become the circlejerk. It's about damn time.

I've been saying can his ass since it was clear he botched the draft with 5 picks in the first 2 rounds, but the majority always defended him.
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Don't look at me, I never wanted him hired in the first place.
 
gofins60 said:
While Tannehill was far from elite, I thought he was decent. IMO, the majority of Tannehill's failures were because of Philbin. Miami's o-line wasn't bad under Sparano, but Philbin took those same guys and made their performance a lot worse, even with 3 first round picks on the line, when he introduced his finesse blocking schemes. During his first four seasons, Tannehill was sacked more than any other QB. Did he sometimes hold the ball too long? Yes, but I believe most of those sacks were on the o-line. He sure did better in Tennessee with a decent o-line and running game, earning the Top Seed not too long ago.

Also, Ryan looked pretty good when he was able to roll out and throw downfield on the run, but Philbin rarely had him do that. And, although Mike Wallace made plays, it didn't help that he had "alligator arms" and a tiny catch radius. IOW, sure, he's no Mahomes, but Tannehill showed that he can help win games when he has a better offense supporting him. That said, I will admit that his play wasn't as great the past year or two.
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Well I guess that is my point. There are so many people to blame why we have not won a playoff game in 23 or 24 years
 
hoops said:
“Guess who’s back…back again…guess who’s back…tell a friend”

Someone needs to come in here and tell it like it is…and well I’m just that person. As usual if you don’t like it I don’t care.

This franchise now has the longest non playoff win drought in the nfl. Who has been in the building for the duration of that drought I ask you? Why none other than chris me and my brother should probably switch sports Grier.

All he’s done since he became the gm is pass accountability to others. Hemorrhage money on bad contracts and fail in the draft to maximize the return pick asset wise on a yearly basis in the draft.

Now we are stuck with the worst qb contract in football and don’t kid yourself it’s the worst on a guy who may well down the road die even on the field. Instead of forcing Tua to play on tbat 5th year option we gave top money to a qb who while a great person and heck I’d even be proud to have him marry my daughter even which speaks to his character is now has finished 2 of his first 4 years out for the season and likely will finish his 5th year the same way. In addition this qb has fenced twice already on the field and has his head bounce off the turf on a pretty much weekly basis in some form or another. Weight gain weight loss fat as a deer tick tua or weight watchers tua it doesn’t matter. This same qb is now 1- whatever vs the bills and we as a team are now 1-12 in our last 13 vs the bills. We aren’t competition for Buffalo or rivals we are camp fodder like the 3 qbs we have in the building now behind tua. We are buffalos bitch!!!

And now you want to make me watch skylar Thompson butcher the position? Why not just take a hot poker to my eyes instead. Tyler Huntley, Tim Boyle? 🤮

In addition this qb tua has played sub standard ball and replace me level ball even down the stretch in each of the seasons he actually has finished. That int into 2 deep coverage vs Buffalo where the safety post snap had the leverage and the route was into the leverage week 18 with everything on the line by tua was more matt moore than franchise qb stuff. It was one of the worst pre to post snap decisions ive ever seen and I broke down qb tape for years.

Miami has no Josh Allen offset I screamed for years about the need for it especially when this qb tua isn’t in an offense that features qb process and is basically very qb friendly but not much qb freedom which is what McDaniel has brought to Miami.

Miami needs to pray that Tua is cleared and retired cause otherwise this contracr will be an albatross for the next half decade with this team and stuck with a qb and offensive system that to this day I still can’t say what level processer he is which was suppose to carry him in the pros. I’ll say the sniffs I have gotten haven’t lead me to believe he should have more on his plate. Given that he’s a system qb in a system that many qbs could run. Just minus the athletic ability that many qbs possess to make teams have to prepare for 2 way threat qbs.

Im sorry Tua but do the team a favor and retire. Take your $47 mil and walk. You weee never getting us over the hump with Josh Allen anyways. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze any more.

Back to the gm. Do I really want to to give this clown another bite at the qb draft apple? Yikes.

Let’s see. Raekwon Davis non existent 2nd round pick gone under your watch. Traded Laremy Tunsil for a slew of picks in a move to get in position for a qb that qb thing has failed. Yeah sure the numbers are there but this teams record vs playoff caliber teams is a joke and shows how much of a pretender we are. They are largely empty numbers.

Liam eichenberg stinks anywhere you put him 2nd round pick fail. Should have cut that years ago instead we start him. Belongs in the ufl.

Tagged Mike gesicki and his 1 catch for 8 yard average paying him north of $10 mil that year when anyone with an ounce of clue knew that we should have let him walk. Addition by subtraction. 2nd round pick fail.

Drafted a position less player in round 3 in the I guess lb Channing tindall. Dudes not even active in year 3 fail. And these are just off the top of my head.

This gms record on day 2 of the draft is a joke. The round one record is not maximizing return either. Yeah we traded out from 3 to 6 and then 12 and everyone tbinks we cleaned house. Well guess out you missed out on better players everywhere along the way. The best draft in maybe my entire scouting career and while you did good you could have done better. That draft has hall of famers written all over it already.

Let’s talk about extending guys when we didn’t need to. Mcd falls in on this too I’m sure. Kicker extension a year early. Fullback who was out of the league the year prior ingold pulls down 3 and 17 mil for what when we control him at least another year. All of these while we controlled them another year or more.

Making Ramsey the highest paid corner when you still control him. Making reek and his off the field never ending concerns a highest paid wr when you control him.

This interior oline which is probably the worst unit in the entire league. A 290 lb center that is owed 5 mil next year regardless if he’s here or not. Sure mcds scheme helps the oline and your banking on it with your smug comments about everyone is worried about the oline but us well how’d that look to you when Buffalo went into a 2 deep shell and you couldn’t run the damn ball situationally despite it? Why? Cause your interior oline sucks.

Get used to it cause one thing I know is this is a copy cat league and they know your interior oline blows. Gonna see a lot of coverage over your 2 Smurf WRs coming. With no offset to be found other than achane who at 188 lbs is being used like Adrian Peterson or something by this dumb head coach.

Speaking of the head coach burns timeouts like my grandpa burns cigarettes. Must be taking hits off his vape when it’s time to get plays in. Wanted Jonnu smith and obj like those 2 clown adds would get this team over the Buffalo bump. Jonnu has always been system based production and obj cares more about his instagram than football these days and will complain to no end if and when he does come back when he isn’t being fed the ball when he’s the backside progression in an offense that doesn’t ask the qb to get to the backside very often. An offense where 80 percent of the primary’s are open by design. Another reason 14 ints by the qb is way way too many. But I digress. This same head coach saved waddle from the week 18 must win home game for the kc playoff where the qb couldn’t execute lateral throws behind the los in those elements let alone anytbing down the damn field. Duke Riley in that game avoided even 2 hand touch and yet he’s still on this roster. Embarrassing. Wonder if you wore them capri pants to that one?

Let’s talk about this last draft if that didn’t scream to you I’m safe as a gm and head coach nothing does. First 2 day picks on projects and a trade for a 4th rb lol. Job well done Grier. Your 2nd round pick Paul has the redirect and short area quickness of an aircraft carrier he already looks more destined to be kicked inside to left guard down the road than to even make it as the active swing 3rd tackle. Fail. Don’t know why I’m surprised these dudes can’t evaluate oline play if their lives depended on it.

We got the smallest skill group in the league smallest catch radius in the league 3rd and 4th WRs feature Robbie I would t choose you in flag chosen alright and berrios who has zero value as a wr option.

This team has failed to get what it needs for the last 2 years more than anything with this size skill a true flex difference maker at the tight end spot. And sure enough when exactly what we need comes along to pair with all this Smurf skill in Brock bowers and he gets out of the top 10 this clown gm is sitting on his hands and clueless. Same for the head coach who should never wear them gold glasses on the sideline again. Go back to the nerd look you will be a vaping oc career guy at the rate you are going in no time.

Which leads me to the owner the corpse who allows these things to continuously happen. To have his money continuously hemorrhaged over and over on bad contracts and bad draft picks and asset and personnel mismanagement. I feel bad for ya Ross but you are being fed a bunch of bs by these folks you appointed. Hold someone accountable step up and force change. Come out and say win or else I don’t care about attrition or any of that you guys built it and you will walk the plank of it doesn’t win. Period. But no I’m fully convinced this front office as a whole is content with being a fringe playoff team and never winning anything if they don’t win the division and get home playoff games. It’s our only chance under this style offense and qb combo and head coach combo. How else can you allow this gm and head coach to come on end of year after yet another fall off the table season and raping at kc no less and drop a smug presser and laughing and joking about it like they don’t have a care in the world.

Do better Ross. Or pass away and let someone else try.

Hoops out ✌️
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Can you please be a little more specific? :wnkr:
 
Cheetah said:
This man wears capris, kisses players, practices load management, his best players stand on the sideline during key drives, he has light practices, I have NEVER seen this man rip a referee or a player, what does "strength of character" mean in this context?

He is the epitome of soft, I mean I don't see how anyone doesn't see that. I think of guys like Mike Vrabel, Campbell, etc. when I think of guys that would command the respect of players and could drive them. This guy is not those guys. As you pointed out there is enough valid evidence, this guy is to close to players and coddles them more than drives them.
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So the pants you wear makes you tough or soft?

Not having control of your emotions and ripping into a ref makes you tough?

I've seen zero evidence that the players do not respect McDaniel.

You seem to be interchanging the words leads and drives. They're not the same thing.
 
hoops said:
“Guess who’s back…back again…guess who’s back…tell a friend”

Someone needs to come in here and tell it like it is…and well I’m just that person. As usual if you don’t like it I don’t care.

This franchise now has the longest non playoff win drought in the nfl. Who has been in the building for the duration of that drought I ask you? Why none other than chris me and my brother should probably switch sports Grier.

All he’s done since he became the gm is pass accountability to others. Hemorrhage money on bad contracts and fail in the draft to maximize the return pick asset wise on a yearly basis in the draft.

Now we are stuck with the worst qb contract in football and don’t kid yourself it’s the worst on a guy who may well down the road die even on the field. Instead of forcing Tua to play on tbat 5th year option we gave top money to a qb who while a great person and heck I’d even be proud to have him marry my daughter even which speaks to his character is now has finished 2 of his first 4 years out for the season and likely will finish his 5th year the same way. In addition this qb has fenced twice already on the field and has his head bounce off the turf on a pretty much weekly basis in some form or another. Weight gain weight loss fat as a deer tick tua or weight watchers tua it doesn’t matter. This same qb is now 1- whatever vs the bills and we as a team are now 1-12 in our last 13 vs the bills. We aren’t competition for Buffalo or rivals we are camp fodder like the 3 qbs we have in the building now behind tua. We are buffalos bitch!!!

And now you want to make me watch skylar Thompson butcher the position? Why not just take a hot poker to my eyes instead. Tyler Huntley, Tim Boyle? 🤮

In addition this qb tua has played sub standard ball and replace me level ball even down the stretch in each of the seasons he actually has finished. That int into 2 deep coverage vs Buffalo where the safety post snap had the leverage and the route was into the leverage week 18 with everything on the line by tua was more matt moore than franchise qb stuff. It was one of the worst pre to post snap decisions ive ever seen and I broke down qb tape for years.

Miami has no Josh Allen offset I screamed for years about the need for it especially when this qb tua isn’t in an offense that features qb process and is basically very qb friendly but not much qb freedom which is what McDaniel has brought to Miami.

Miami needs to pray that Tua is cleared and retired cause otherwise this contracr will be an albatross for the next half decade with this team and stuck with a qb and offensive system that to this day I still can’t say what level processer he is which was suppose to carry him in the pros. I’ll say the sniffs I have gotten haven’t lead me to believe he should have more on his plate. Given that he’s a system qb in a system that many qbs could run. Just minus the athletic ability that many qbs possess to make teams have to prepare for 2 way threat qbs.

Im sorry Tua but do the team a favor and retire. Take your $47 mil and walk. You weee never getting us over the hump with Josh Allen anyways. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze any more.

Back to the gm. Do I really want to to give this clown another bite at the qb draft apple? Yikes.

Let’s see. Raekwon Davis non existent 2nd round pick gone under your watch. Traded Laremy Tunsil for a slew of picks in a move to get in position for a qb that qb thing has failed. Yeah sure the numbers are there but this teams record vs playoff caliber teams is a joke and shows how much of a pretender we are. They are largely empty numbers.

Liam eichenberg stinks anywhere you put him 2nd round pick fail. Should have cut that years ago instead we start him. Belongs in the ufl.

Tagged Mike gesicki and his 1 catch for 8 yard average paying him north of $10 mil that year when anyone with an ounce of clue knew that we should have let him walk. Addition by subtraction. 2nd round pick fail.

Drafted a position less player in round 3 in the I guess lb Channing tindall. Dudes not even active in year 3 fail. And these are just off the top of my head.

This gms record on day 2 of the draft is a joke. The round one record is not maximizing return either. Yeah we traded out from 3 to 6 and then 12 and everyone tbinks we cleaned house. Well guess out you missed out on better players everywhere along the way. The best draft in maybe my entire scouting career and while you did good you could have done better. That draft has hall of famers written all over it already.

Let’s talk about extending guys when we didn’t need to. Mcd falls in on this too I’m sure. Kicker extension a year early. Fullback who was out of the league the year prior ingold pulls down 3 and 17 mil for what when we control him at least another year. All of these while we controlled them another year or more.

Making Ramsey the highest paid corner when you still control him. Making reek and his off the field never ending concerns a highest paid wr when you control him.

This interior oline which is probably the worst unit in the entire league. A 290 lb center that is owed 5 mil next year regardless if he’s here or not. Sure mcds scheme helps the oline and your banking on it with your smug comments about everyone is worried about the oline but us well how’d that look to you when Buffalo went into a 2 deep shell and you couldn’t run the damn ball situationally despite it? Why? Cause your interior oline sucks.

Get used to it cause one thing I know is this is a copy cat league and they know your interior oline blows. Gonna see a lot of coverage over your 2 Smurf WRs coming. With no offset to be found other than achane who at 188 lbs is being used like Adrian Peterson or something by this dumb head coach.

Speaking of the head coach burns timeouts like my grandpa burns cigarettes. Must be taking hits off his vape when it’s time to get plays in. Wanted Jonnu smith and obj like those 2 clown adds would get this team over the Buffalo bump. Jonnu has always been system based production and obj cares more about his instagram than football these days and will complain to no end if and when he does come back when he isn’t being fed the ball when he’s the backside progression in an offense that doesn’t ask the qb to get to the backside very often. An offense where 80 percent of the primary’s are open by design. Another reason 14 ints by the qb is way way too many. But I digress. This same head coach saved waddle from the week 18 must win home game for the kc playoff where the qb couldn’t execute lateral throws behind the los in those elements let alone anytbing down the damn field. Duke Riley in that game avoided even 2 hand touch and yet he’s still on this roster. Embarrassing. Wonder if you wore them capri pants to that one?

Let’s talk about this last draft if that didn’t scream to you I’m safe as a gm and head coach nothing does. First 2 day picks on projects and a trade for a 4th rb lol. Job well done Grier. Your 2nd round pick Paul has the redirect and short area quickness of an aircraft carrier he already looks more destined to be kicked inside to left guard down the road than to even make it as the active swing 3rd tackle. Fail. Don’t know why I’m surprised these dudes can’t evaluate oline play if their lives depended on it.

We got the smallest skill group in the league smallest catch radius in the league 3rd and 4th WRs feature Robbie I would t choose you in flag chosen alright and berrios who has zero value as a wr option.

This team has failed to get what it needs for the last 2 years more than anything with this size skill a true flex difference maker at the tight end spot. And sure enough when exactly what we need comes along to pair with all this Smurf skill in Brock bowers and he gets out of the top 10 this clown gm is sitting on his hands and clueless. Same for the head coach who should never wear them gold glasses on the sideline again. Go back to the nerd look you will be a vaping oc career guy at the rate you are going in no time.

Which leads me to the owner the corpse who allows these things to continuously happen. To have his money continuously hemorrhaged over and over on bad contracts and bad draft picks and asset and personnel mismanagement. I feel bad for ya Ross but you are being fed a bunch of bs by these folks you appointed. Hold someone accountable step up and force change. Come out and say win or else I don’t care about attrition or any of that you guys built it and you will walk the plank of it doesn’t win. Period. But no I’m fully convinced this front office as a whole is content with being a fringe playoff team and never winning anything if they don’t win the division and get home playoff games. It’s our only chance under this style offense and qb combo and head coach combo. How else can you allow this gm and head coach to come on end of year after yet another fall off the table season and raping at kc no less and drop a smug presser and laughing and joking about it like they don’t have a care in the world.

Do better Ross. Or pass away and let someone else try.

Hoops out ✌️
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Yeah.

I remember my first beer.
 
From an older Finheavener it's good to see your post hoops.
Not sure what will happen with mcD and Grier but suspect they are in their last year if we have a losing record.

You mentioned two deep safeties that buffalo was running- if mcD and whoever our qb is can't figure out how to run double posts and one curl against it they need to go. There is no way any safeties can keep up with waddle and hill even if they have a running start. Figure it out. Tua wasn't going downfield at all before he got hurt. Why was that?

As far as tua goes I was in the camp of let him play his 5th option. I think it was a huge mistake. Now if he comes back and gets paralyzed we take the biggest pr hit ever.

This team isn't soft for the most part. And grier has made some good moves. Let's see how it plays out. If we have guys suddenly getting mysterious injuries and taking themselves out of games then the soft question might be answered.

Hoping for the team to pull together now and show who they are.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
Glad to see you back, Hoops.

I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of what you are saying, but it's week two. Miami is 1-1, maybe lucky to have a win, but let's see how this plays out.

Grier, on a whole, has made more good decisions than bad. Miami, while not good enough to compete with the best teams, has been at least a fringe playoff team the last few years. They are competitive.

Not getting to that next level, is something to discuss for sure. Tua's future is cloudy.

But, if the season goes south, which it could, I don't think anyone is necessarily safe.
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I have great respect for you, brother SF as you are one of my favorite posters on the site but I don’t know that I can agree on Grier. Somehow we are suddenly tied up in cap hell with so many aging vets on massive deals. And then Tua’s contract. Not enough young talent has panned out - Eukanuba, Tindall, Cam Smith to compensate and keep us competitive. I am concerned we are heading into another rebuild era after this year.
 
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