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How does a QB go from his best game of career to poop the bed 5 consecutive games?

It's because even in the games he won versus Pittsburgh and NE he wasn't making plays with pocket movement, downfield passes, and other things that natural QB's have to do to win week in and week out. If you have a limited skill set you are going to be able to win against some teams that can't exploit that, and there are going to be some teams that simply take you apart. Tannehill is poor against teams that can control the line of scrimmage because he fails to make progressions and decisions properly, fails to elude pressure, and consequently gets sacked unless his first read is open, which against some teams happens.

Also, remember that Chad Henne wasn't always as bad as he was by the time he left. He had some good games his first year of starting, including an outstanding win against a New England team that was better than the one Tannehill has beat twice. If you are a limited QB, at some point the major failures, like Tannehill choking away a playoff spot last year, tend to affect a QB's confidence and decision making, which is so crucial. QB's that don't progress tend to regress, like Mark Sanchez.
 
The thing about Tannehill is I had so much faith in him and I am losing faith in him more and more as the weeks go by. I feel if he pulled his head out of his a** he could be a good QB. The problem is he has it so far up there from being stuck with Sherman for so long, dealing with Philbin who is useless and he just seems to not have it. It frustrates me that after so many of us myself including thought we finally he had our guy and now it appears we are back into the pick a sh** QB play him for a few years, realize he sucks and try again. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET IT RIGHT? Should we just use all our picks on a QB next year? Jesus I am sick and tired of watching this team being mediocre year in and year out.
 
Was that really his stat line for that game?? I remember it being much better. I guess it was a 2nd half thing. (sorry SOS). I think I was just blinded by that last drive...

You were right.

Last years numbers vs the Pats in week 15:

25 of 37 67.6% 312yds 8.4 3 TD 0 INT
 
Depressing, isn't it? I can drive 250-275 yards, straight as an arrow. I'm decent on the greens. I'm absolutely tragic with wedges.

My clubs have been unused in my garage for years.

I found it more aggravating than depressing. The guys I used to play with still invite me now and again but I always decline. I discovered years ago that kayaking gives me everything golf gave me but at the end I never feel like throwing my kayak in a tree.
 
I found it more aggravating than depressing. The guys I used to play with still invite me now and again but I always decline. I discovered years ago that kayaking gives me everything golf gave me but at the end I never feel like throwing my kayak in a tree.

At least you'd probably hit the tree......If Tannehill threw the kayak it would either be behind or over and miss the tree entirely.
 
Before I begin, I'd like to make the following two statements:

1. QB play has not been good enough to carry the team in the games in question.
2. If we decide to start Matt Moore next week, I'm fine with that. I'd be interested and very curious to see what would happen, to be honest.

If you are going to completely ignore those two statements and/or get offended by a post that attempts to explain why I don't think the team's struggles are 100% on the quarterback, just stop reading now. You will be upset by this post.


Accuracy - this is on the quarterback

They are retooling Tannehill's footwork and asking him to throw on different routes with new timing. His accuracy was off the last two weeks. I thought it was much better today. That's about 90% on the quarterback (receivers need time to get comfortable in the offense, too), and we must see continued improvement here, period.

This was absolutely a big issue that contributed to the loss last week in Buffalo.


Decision-Making - this is on the quarterback

This is one area where Tannehill was lousy in week 17 of last season. QB was the biggest reason for the loss to the Jets last season and I think his biggest issue was making bad decisions with the football.

I think he's reading coverages better this season But, he needs to use his legs more. This is an area where he is screwing the pooch bigtime. I don't know if it's the way he's being coached, I don't know what the hell it is, but sometimes he just needs to take off with the dang football In short, I am seeing improvement here, but not enough, and not across the board.


Pass Protection and Pressure - this is not all on the quarterback

He has been far worse in this system than under Sherman's. I thought this system was supposed to be QB friendly? It seems like it is exposing some of his accuracy problems. But today, he was actually alright with his accuracy for the most part. But drives continued to stall, and he just crumbled in the 4th quarter.

Do you know what else crumbled in the 4th quarter? The pass protection. It looked a lot like a game I commented on last week: SF vs Chicago. 49ers offense was playing well enough to win and then suddenly everything fell apart. Jonathan Martin (and really, the entire OL) started getting beaten like a drum and Kaepernick was running for his life. As a result, they couldn't do anything right. Now, Kaepernick did a better job of escaping from a crumbling pocket, but he also turned the ball over a bunch, and the result was the same. I actually defended Kaepernick after that game, if you can believe that.

Teams are getting some pretty good pressure dropping 7 men into coverage and we're struggling. Go back to that Patriots game week one -- Tannehill extended a few plays with his legs and still had to throw the ball away because the coverage was blanketed downfield. The last couple of weeks, he's had plays where he's stepped up in the pocket and got dropped by someone else because multiple guys are getting beat. I'm sorry, but you watch what happened up front (especially on the right side of the line) in that game today and you tell me all those sacks and pressures and batted balls and hit throwing arms were all on the quarterback with a straight face. He may not be good at managing the pocket, but he's not conjuring up those defenders out of thin air with some magically bad pocket presence.

I saw one sack against Buffalo I put on the quarterback. I don't know which ones I'd put on him today. The pass protection was bad, man. I saw him trying to step up into the pocket right into another defender. You tell me what you want there, because I can't put those on #17.


Play-Calling - I don't know how much of this is on the QB because I don't know what his options are.

Now, we observe that Ryan Tannehill doesn't throw a good deep ball. But we don't take shots. We don't take shots. What people forget is that last year under Sherman, our deep passing game actually wasn't terrible. We took shots, and we got some big chunk plays to Wallace and Clay in particular. Even with garbage pass protection, we found ways to take shots downfield and it helped our offense out immensely. Ryan Tannehill was 1/2 on catchable bombs last week, and yet we're not even trying. He makes one lousy throw to Wallace and Hartline drops another one, and we just give up? Terrible. Bad throws and drops both happen, it's a low percentage play. Can't quit on it.

We keep calling up underneath passes that teams are just sitting on because we don't try anything else. We don't attack the seams and we aren't throwing deep. Some of that is due to poor pass protection (in fact, I'm sure that a lot of it is), but at some point the team needs to find new ways to attack a defense like we thought it was going to this year, and it's not happening. I pin this squarely on Bill Lazor. I was skeptical of Lazor at first, then warmed up to him, and now I'm getting skeptical again. He was supposed to be the QB whisperer, and yet our QB is getting worse results than before? He deserves scrutiny.

Where does he deserve scrutiny? Well, the run game was working today and we went away from it. We passed the ball at a 2:1 ratio despite the fact that we were within one score for most of it, and that is simply inexcusable. We are not running the Eagles offense. Not even close. If Bill Lazor took anything from Chip Kelly, it was spacing in the running game, but that seems about it. No commitment to the run, no tempo, nothing. No identity, no cohesive philosophy. Nothing.


Playing to Strengths - this is not all on the QB

One other thing I want to point out, because I think our QB is going to get 13 more games as an audition for the next coaching staff: he is much better running an up-tempo, no-huddle type of offense than a slow, clock-eating attack. He just sees, feels, and reacts to the game better. He uses his legs more. Surely our coaches can see that? How can anyone not see that? And yet our offensive tempo might be as slow as I've ever seen it, as we give the defense time to line up, get their calls in, take a breather, drink a latte, and then pin their ears back or clog up the passing lanes for yet another short passing attempt.



So there it is. I don't think the QB suddenly got worse. I think it's a lot of things. Accuracy and decision-making issues are on the QB. But the other stuff? You can't ignore it.
 
at this point, i'd say the sacks took their toll on his internal pressure clock and decision making while under duress.
 
at this point, i'd say the sacks took their toll on his internal pressure clock and decision making while under duress.

I don't buy this for a second. If he doesn't have it, he never had it.

The "QBs get ruined" argument just doesn't stack up based on the evidence, IMO. People point to David Carr, but Carr continued to improve throughout his career -- he simply wasn't any good to begin with. Gary Kubiak actually made him look decent for a year or two, and that was well after he was considered 'ruined.'
 
I thought he had an opportunity to step up in the pocket in the first half - big opening in front and for whatever reason he didn't and I think the result was a sack. You have to be able to extend plays to be a successful QB and RT doesn't use his athletic ability to do this nearly enough. And what about awareness as it relates to holding the ball. Taking that sack on 3rd and 1 was brutal.
 
I didn't like Tannehill as a prospect, I was as patient as I could be with him, but I really think that he just is what he is at this point. He's athletic, he has a big arm, but he just can't put all his talents together, and he's mediocre...
With that being said, it is pretty hard to give this kid a fair evaluation because of how awful the pass blocking is, and how often these inconsistent ass receivers drop the ball, but I've seen enough and he isn't the answer. There were enough opportunities out there in the last 2 games for Tannehill to make big plays to help us win. Matt Moore time.
 
Ryan Tannehill has great talent and athletic ability. Some of his passes are straight up amazing. The problem is no consistency and too many poor decisions.

Bad decisions/poor consistency lose games. Less talented QBs have made it to the superbowl because they are consistent and make mostly good decisions. Does the good outweigh the bad with Tannehill? Unfortunately right now the answer is trending towards no.
 
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