How does ESPN QBR work? Tannehill's QBR DROPPED from 26 to 28 after Sunday's win

[Daytona Fin]

um, what heroics?

While playing his first game in the snow, led his team to 6 scoring drives including a 4th quarter comeback against a steelers team with their backs against the wall in a desperation game in a hostile environment. He also out dueled a future hall of fame quarterback on his turf.

 

[Geforce]

I checked the link (http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr) and Josh McCown has the highest QBR in the league... Yes, THAT Josh McCown... the one that couldn't beat out a rookie Chad Henne in Miami.

ESPN's Total QBR doesn't make much sense to Aaron Rodgers.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...aaron-rodgers-as-it-does-to-me?urn=nfl,wp9534

OK, next — QBR places a certain elevated weight on non-passing plays for quarterbacks, which is very problematic in this case. When it's revealed that "QBR evaluates a wider spectrum of quarterback play than completions and yards, including sacks, scrambles and passing yards after the catch," that's a lead-in to the fact that "Rodgers took four sacks. Tebow did not have a play that resulted in negative yardage. Quarterbacks are given a share of blame for sacks," and "Almost half of Rodgers' passing total, 197 of 396, was judged to come after the catch, for which quarterbacks receive less credit."

Here's the real corker: QBR appears to weigh a quarterback's performance relative to the game situation -- on offense and defense! Here's how the difference between Tebow's performance and Rodgers' performance was described: "Rodgers performed about the same as Tebow in bringing his team back from a 14-0 deficit (QBR of 83.6 from start of 2nd qtr). However, unlike Tebow, Rodgers was on the field when [his] team went into as 14-0 hole. Since those plays count towards his overall [performance], his QBR was 82 for the game."

One other aspects of ESPN's Total QBR that I think is bs is that if a receiver takes a short pass and scores a touchdown off it, ala Charles Clay's game winner against Pittsburgh, the QB doesn't get full credit for the touchdown because the receiver did most of the work.

 

[nyjunc]

Check your math Junc. How is 6 closer to 10 than 5 ????

Regardless my eyes says he's getting better and so does his TD to int ratio which to me is the best way to grade a QB.

I am saying I think he's closer to 10 than 5.

He has 21 total TDs and 19 total TOs

While playing his first game in the snow, led his team to 6 scoring drives including a 4th quarter comeback against a steelers team with their backs against the wall in a desperation game in a hostile environment. He also out dueled a future hall of fame quarterback on his turf.

no he didn't. the GW TD was after a 60 yd run then a dump off and a great individual play by Clay. The last FG was after the D forced a 4 and out and gave him the ball inside the 10. The 1st TD was after the D forced a fumble and gave them great FP deep in Pitt territory. He also threw a terrible INT for a TD that could have killed you.

Pitt is never easy but there is a reason they are 5-8, this is not the Steelers of a few years ago.

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ESPN's Total QBR doesn't make much sense to Aaron Rodgers.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...aaron-rodgers-as-it-does-to-me?urn=nfl,wp9534





One other aspects of ESPN's Total QBR that I think is bs is that if a receiver takes a short pass and scores a touchdown off it, ala Charles Clay's game winner against Pittsburgh, the QB doesn't get full credit for the touchdown because the receiver did most of the work.

why is that BS? what did Ryan do on that pass to earn a TD pass? same for 2 TDs from last week. It would be one thing if it was a perfect throw setting up the run after catch but that wasn't the case on any of them.

 

[Geforce]

why is that BS? what did Ryan do on that pass to earn a TD pass? same for 2 TDs from last week. It would be one thing if it was a perfect throw setting up the run after catch but that wasn't the case on any of them.

My comment about it being bs is not just about Charles Clay's touchdown, it about the QB in general being penalized for getting the ball to his playmakers. Peyton Manning throws for seven touchdowns and because a couple of those were short passes taken the distance by his receivers he doesn't get credit for them, according to ESPN Total QBR? That is bs.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

no he didn't. the GW TD was after a 60 yd run then a dump off and a great individual play by Clay. The last FG was after the D forced a 4 and out and gave him the ball inside the 10. The 1st TD was after the D forced a fumble and gave them great FP deep in Pitt territory.

Have you ever posted the same type of comment about Sanchez or were all of his TD passes also caught by him? Was every scoring drive ever led by Sanchez solely his doing?

What about the TD run by Thomas? Wasn't that setup by 64 passing yards on an 80 yard drive?

You are so biased it's not even funny.

 

[tay0365]

he's closer to 10 than 5 in the AFC

Actually Tannehill is much closer to 5, then Sanchez ever was to 10 in the AFC.

 

[Daytona Fin]

Have you ever posted the same type of comment about Sanchez or were all of his TD passes also caught by him? Was every scoring drive ever led by Sanchez solely his doing?

What about the TD run by Thomas? Wasn't that setup by 64 passing yards on an 80 yard drive?

You are so biased it's not even funny.

I knew he would take the bait. The same stuff he is discrediting tannehill for is the same stuff he has ben trying to praise sanchez with for many years now.

 

[MP-Omnis]

I checked the link (http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr) and Josh McCown has the highest QBR in the league... Yes, THAT Josh McCown... the one that couldn't beat out a rookie Chad Henne in Miami.

Because he has Dumbledore Trestman there and was stuck with Hagrid Sparano here.

 

[nyjunc]

Have you ever posted the same type of comment about Sanchez or were all of his TD passes also caught by him? Was every scoring drive ever led by Sanchez solely his doing?

What about the TD run by Thomas? Wasn't that setup by 64 passing yards on an 80 yard drive?

You are so biased it's not even funny.

if mark had a similar throw where it was all the receiver yes I would mention it.

I didn't say Ryan had a terrible game but to pretend like he was great isn't being fair. he did some great things, had some great moments but had some awful moments too.

I am biased but fair. You are biased and unfair.

Actually Tannehill is much closer to 5, then Sanchez ever was to 10 in the AFC.

everyone note I didn't bring Mark up.

Mark was top 10 in the NFL in 2010, his 2010 was light years better than Ryan this year.

I knew he would take the bait. The same stuff he is discrediting tannehill for is the same stuff he has ben trying to praise sanchez with for many years now.

show me where Mark dump off a pass and his receiver broke numerous tackles to take a short gain into a long TD?

 

[tay0365]

everyone note I didn't bring Mark up.

Mark was top 10 in the NFL in 2010, his 2010 was light years better than Ryan this year.

Mark in his best year, never was top 10, and could never...ever be on the same field as a still learning (Hugely high ceiling) Ryan Tannehill.

 

[DolFan in NE]

if mark had a similar throw where it was all the receiver yes I would mention it.

I didn't say Ryan had a terrible game but to pretend like he was great isn't being fair. he did some great things, had some great moments but had some awful moments too.

I am biased but fair. You are biased and unfair.



everyone note I didn't bring Mark up.

Mark was top 10 in the NFL in 2010, his 2010 was light years better than Ryan this year.



show me where Mark dump off a pass and his receiver broke numerous tackles to take a short gain into a long TD?

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp%Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR
2010 24 NYJ QB 6 16 16 11-5-0 278 507 54.8 3291 17 3.4 13 2.6 74 6.5 6.0 11.8 205.7 75.3 48.02

You mean this 2010? :lol2:

 

[vagrantprodigy]

QBR sounded good when they introduced it, but over time it looks more and more ridiculous. Horrible system. I'm to the point where I don't even look at it anymore.

 

[Vaark]

Have you ever posted the same type of comment about Sanchez or were all of his TD passes also caught by him? Was every scoring drive ever led by Sanchez solely his doing?

What about the TD run by Thomas? Wasn't that setup by 64 passing yards on an 80 yard drive?

You are so biased it's not even funny.

No this is what you get about Sanchez : the jest defense gives up 14 points to a low scoring offense but they let Sanchez down cuz he couldn't muster up more than that... or shame on their D blowing leads to us, but never mentions that going into the 4th qtr we were only up by 3 nor that Sanchez threw 2 consecutive interceptions. Not surprisingly his shtick got pretty old over there and consequently revealed as a "Superfan" vs being an objective one. Make no mistake about it, he's afflicted with fins penis envy and is just here to piss on our more tasty cheerios :idk:

And you;'re right, he never brings this stuff up anywhere: "How do you say Tony Romo in Spanish?" Answer: Mark Sanchez.

Bottom Line: everyone is entitled to their opinions, but some like "Sanchez is ranked 28 but he's a top 10QB," "I wouldn't trade Sanchez for even 2 first rounders or any QB except the top 5 or so," "The 09-11 jets were elite," "he may have had a 60QRB, sub .500 completion percent, 101 yds with 1 TD and ! int and won because he handed off to Green for a 54yd TD run and sat on the sidelines watching SD's kicker blow 2 chip shots and 1 that he's made in the past..but he played well in that postseason game," etc. smell more rancid than others and should neither be confused as being anything other than Superfandom nor seriously considered when it comes to assessing QB play.

[video=youtube;-2kZviH2b38]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2kZviH2b38[/video]

 

[Daytona Fin]

show me where Mark dump off a pass and his receiver broke numerous tackles to take a short gain into a long TD?

That dump off pass on the game winning drive was not a long td. He caught the ball on the 7 on second down, right at the 1st down marker, then broke a tackle to run it in. Tannehill was 3-3 with 25 yards on that drive. I had no worries about not scoring if clay gets tackled.

 

[mega-fin-love]

QBR accounts for QB fumbles, rushing, clutch factor, and taking sacks....none of which Tannehill excels at. That's why his QBR is so low.