How does ESPN QBR work? Tannehill's QBR DROPPED from 26 to 28 after Sunday's win

[SkapePhin]

QBR accounts for QB fumbles, rushing, clutch factor, and taking sacks....none of which Tannehill excels at. That's why his QBR is so low.

How does it assign blame for the sacks and fumbles? Does it look at each on a case by case basis? Obviously the QB can be responsible for sacks, but not every sack. Is that accounted for in the equation?

 

[datruth55]

QBR accounts for QB fumbles, rushing, clutch factor, and taking sacks....none of which Tannehill excels at. That's why his QBR is so low.

Yes because bringing your team back from being behind twice, late in the game, in the snow, on the road against a team that was 5-3 in their last 8 games and scoring the games final 10 points in 2:53 is not clutch or anything else.

The real reason ESPN took his QBR down is because they all picked the Steelers to win and they were wrong...again.

 

[nyjunc]

Mark in his best year, never was top 10, and could never...ever be on the same field as a still learning (Hugely high ceiling) Ryan Tannehill.

I hear Ryan will someday be elite:lol2:

mark in 2010 was light years ahead of Ryan this year. he was making big plays nearly every week and wasn't turning it over every single week.

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp%Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR
2010 24 NYJ QB 6 16 16 11-5-0 278 507 54.8 3291 17 3.4 13 2.6 74 6.5 6.0 11.8 205.7 75.3 48.02

You mean this 2010? :lol2:

Yep, it's a good thing we are smarter fans than to just look at a meaningless stat sheet to evaluate.

That dump off pass on the game winning drive was not a long td. He caught the ball on the 7 on second down, right at the 1st down marker, then broke a tackle to run it in. Tannehill was 3-3 with 25 yards on that drive. I had no worries about not scoring if clay gets tackled.

so that wasn't a great effort by Clay? Ryan made the play? the 2 biggest plays(w/o you don't win) came from the RB and Clay.

AGAIN, I did not say Ryan was bad but he clearly wasn't great. You guys are acting like he is a top QB and he is nowhere near one as of now. Potential to be a top 10 type guy but iof he was playing like one now you would have crushed Pitt and beaten us much worse.

You aren't winning b/c Ryan is carrying you, he's been along for the ride but has the potential to be a front line player for you. When he does you can be really good.

---------- Post added at 02:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:05 PM ----------

Yes because bringing your team back from being behind twice, late in the game, in the snow, on the road against a team that was 5-3 in their last 8 games and scoring the games final 10 points in 2:53 is not clutch or anything else.

The real reason ESPN took his QBR down is because they all picked the Steelers to win and they were wrong...again.

why were they down in the first place? you think his awful pick 6 had anything to do w/ it? The next drive was great, very impressive but the 2nd time he did very little.

 

[Shouright]

http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/QBR_Lessons.pdf

 

[datruth55]

why were they down in the first place? you think his awful pick 6 had anything to do w/ it? The next drive was great, very impressive but the 2nd time he did very little.

And did he come right back down the field and score a TD? Or did he butt fumble? I'm going with TD.

Are you familiar with the number 24? No it's not Darrelle Revis...it's the number of turnovers by Geno's Myth.

 

[Daytona Fin]

so that wasn't a great effort by Clay? Ryan made the play? the 2 biggest plays(w/o you don't win) came from the RB and Clay.

Never said clay didn't make a great play. Ryan put the ball where it needed to be for clay to get a 1st down. Had clay got tackled the drive was still alive at the 7. Also thomas' 55 yard run was on 2nd and 1 , so not exactly dire conditions for the drive to stay alive.

So now you are in a time machine and can go back and change plays and say without a doubt if we don't get those two plays we lose. Got it. Why don't you fast forward your machine to April and tell us which quarterback the jets draft.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I hear Ryan will someday be elite:lol2:

mark in 2010 was light years ahead of Ryan this year. he was making big plays nearly every week and wasn't turning it over every single week.

I hear Mark may be a starter again someday :loll:

Yeah, he really tore it up in 2010. Even with the training wheels on, they didn't trust him to be anything other than a passenger on the bus.

17 TDs - wow, that should get him consideration for the HOF. 13 INTs and 15 dropped INTs along with 9 fumbles. He was awesome.

---------- Post added at 02:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:19 PM ----------

Yep, it's a good thing we are smarter fans than to just look at a meaningless stat sheet to evaluate.

Yeah, watch the games and that is even funnier.

 

[nyjunc]

And did he come right back down the field and score a TD? Or did he butt fumble? I'm going with TD.

Are you familiar with the number 24? No it's not Darrelle Revis...it's the number of turnovers by Geno's Myth.

you know Ryan has 19 TOs, right? I know geno stinks right now, you guys think Ryan is really good.

Never said clay didn't make a great play. Ryan put the ball where it needed to be for clay to get a 1st down. Had clay got tackled the drive was still alive at the 7. Also thomas' 55 yard run was on 2nd and 1 , so not exactly dire conditions for the drive to stay alive.

So now you are in a time machine and can go back and change plays and say without a doubt if we don't get those two plays we lose. Got it. Why don't you fast forward your machine to April and tell us which quarterback the jets draft.

whether 2nd and 1, 1st and 5 or whatever he had a 55 yd run that put you in the RZ.

Ryan didn't do anything special to win that game, that's not a knock on him it's reality. that doesn't mean he sucks, that doesn't mean he isn't improving but he's not there yet.

---------- Post added at 02:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:21 PM ----------

I hear Mark may be a starter again someday :loll:

Yeah, he really tore it up in 2010. Even with the training wheels on, they didn't trust him to be anything other than a passenger on the bus.

17 TDs - wow, that should get him consideration for the HOF. 13 INTs and 15 dropped INTs along with 9 fumbles. He was awesome.

---------- Post added at 02:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:19 PM ----------



Yeah, watch the games and that is even funnier.

that passenger ked us to 11 wins including 5-6 late game comebacks through the air but Ryan's dumpoffs have clearly been better than mark 2010

 

[tay0365]

I hear Ryan will someday be elite:lol2:

Well he's already better then the Sanchize, and I heard from someone he was elite, so I guess that make Ryan also elite..right? :)

 

[nyjunc]

Well he's already better then the Sanchize, and I heard from someone he was elite, so I guess that make Ryan also elite..right? :)

That's the thing, I NEVER once called Mark elite or even said he would someday be elite. It is all perception. If you guys would just actually read what I post we could avoid all issues.

 

[mega-fin-love]

How does it assign blame for the sacks and fumbles? Does it look at each on a case by case basis? Obviously the QB can be responsible for sacks, but not every sack. Is that accounted for in the equation?

Yes, each play the QB would be assigned none, all, or partial blame.

 

[datruth55]

you know Ryan has 19 TOs, right? I know geno stinks right now, you guys think Ryan is really good.

You know he has 21 TDs right? I know Ryan is better than any Jets QB right now.

You're so pathetic. You're team sucks so bad that you come on here and try to bring us down because your team is only relevant for a good story about a foot fetish coach with a delicate QB who sucks. Geno may be the only other player in the NFL that is less mentally tough than Jonathan Martin and Rex Ryan is looking more and more like Rich Kotite...and I love it.

 

[tay0365]

that passenger ked us to 11 wins including 5-6 late game comebacks through the air but Ryan's dumpoffs have clearly been better than mark 2010

You know I find this very funny, you are saying that Ryan did nothing in that win against the Steelers (even though he looked better in that horrible weather, then Mark normally did in good weather), but you believe that Mark was mostly responsible for those wins....even though one of your coaches said he wasn't.

---------- Post added at 02:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:37 PM ----------

That's the thing, I NEVER once called Mark elite or even said he would someday be elite. It is all perception. If you guys would just actually read what I post we could avoid all issues.

You said he should be spoken in the same breath as the elite QBs of the NFL.

 

[nyjunc]

You know he has 21 TDs right? I know Ryan is better than any Jets QB right now.

You're so pathetic. You're team sucks so bad that you come on here and try to bring us down because your team is only relevant for a good story about a foot fetish coach with a delicate QB who sucks. Geno may be the only other player in the NFL that is less mentally tough than Jonathan Martin and Rex Ryan is looking more and more like Rich Kotite...and I love it.

any Jet playing now? Ryan is MUCH better but he also has MUCH more talent to work with.

I think the pathetic one is the one that gets upset b/c someone else doesn't agree w/ them.

You know I find this very funny, you are saying that Ryan did nothing in that win against the Steelers (even though he looked better in that horrible weather, then Mark normally did in good weather), but you believe that Mark was mostly responsible for those wins....even though one of your coaches said he wasn't.

---------- Post added at 02:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:37 PM ----------



You said he should be spoken in the same breath as the elite QBs of the NFL.

The comebacks? absolutely he was mostly responsible in most of those games. I don't think you guys realize how good he was that season.

find that quote, I never said that.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

that passenger ked us to 11 wins including 5-6 late game comebacks through the air but Ryan's dumpoffs have clearly been better than mark 2010

By definition, passengers don't lead anyone anywhere. They just stay out of the way.

This from a 2011 article on NFL.com:

"f the Jets are serious about making a Super Bowl run, they must take the ball out of Mark Sanchez's hands. He's not ready to be the driving force of the offense, and the team must return to their "ground and pound" roots to have any chance of reaching their aspirations.

The Jets have been one of the few teams able to ride a run-heavy offense to a playoff run the past two years. New York ranked among the top five rushing offenses in each of those seasons, including a league-best 172.2 yards per game in 2009. More importantly, the team averaged 35.6 rushing attempts over those 32 games."

From an article after the Jets beat Indy in 2010:

" In the second half on Saturday, the Jets’ offense went old school. This offense resembled last season’s offense. It featured handoffs, running backs and offensive linemen, the big boys, all pointed straight ahead.

Thus continued the offensive theme in the four postseason games of the Rex Ryan era. In those contests, the Jets have averaged 149 yards rushing and 37 carries. Not coincidentally, they also won three times."

So in 2010 and 2011 WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING, everyone realized that Sanchez was simply a passenger.