How far can former Texas A&M Aggie Ryan Tannehill rise up NFL’s quarterback hierarchy

[cleezy13]

tb wasn't winning w/o a good qb.



They don't reach the sb w/o him, he was great in the 3 afc playoff games.

Ben is incredibly underrated b/c fans and the media worry too much about meaningless fantasy #s.

no he overatted cause he fell off when his d fell off and hasnt been able to bring them back hence his success was from his d and for your info EVERY qb that played for the steelers had success, ben just happened to come in when they had their best teams all around period end of story (go look up how many games ben won when the d let up over 15-20pts and get back to me elite qbs can put points up whenever to win). He had a hof wr and rb phenomenal o-line and prob one of the best defenses of all time during their run. Russel wilson is the same thing without the sb ready talent around him hed be irrelevant.

The whole point of my argument is he's a decent qb thats far from elite.

 

[nyjunc]

Multiple and many QB's would have won Superbowls playing with those defenses....anybody who doesn't realize that knows not what they are talking about.

Brad Johnson was a career lower 80's rated QB....I watched him play a lot being located in the Tampa Bay area...nothing special at all.

so how come those great Ds didn't win or make any other SBs w/ multiple and many other QBs?

no he overatted cause he fell off when his d fell off and hasnt been able to bring them back hence his success was from his d and for your info EVERY qb that played for the steelers had success, ben just happened to come in when they had their best teams all around period end of story (go look up how many games ben won when the d let up over 15-20pts and get back to me elite qbs can put points up whenever to win). He had a hof wr and rb phenomenal o-line and prob one of the best defenses of all time during their run. Russel wilson is the same thing without the sb ready talent around him hed be irrelevant.

The whole point of my argument is he's a decent qb thats far from elite.

he hasn't really fallen off at all, the talent around him has and he has still helped to keep Pitt competitive. he had nothing phenomenal on offense, he had good talent but he didn't have Indy O's under Peyton talent.

 

[truedolfan57]

so how come those great Ds didn't win or make any other SBs w/ multiple and many other QBs?

because those great D's don't last long. and as anyone that knows about football, it's very hard to repeat in the NFL, especially without at least a hall of fame QB. you keep spinning that those teams needed those specific QB's. So those specific QB's could have lead their team to the SB without the top rated defenses they had? No, it is much more likely that any mediocre QB that didn't lose games, and just didn't mess up, would have won a SB with their respective top ranking defenses, than it is a QB like BJ or Dilfer would have carried their team to a SB win with a mediocre defense.

 

[nyjunc]

because those great D's don't last long. and as anyone that knows about football, it's very hard to repeat in the NFL, especially without at least a hall of fame QB. you keep spinning that those teams needed those specific QB's. So those specific QB's could have lead their team to the SB without the top rated defenses they had? No, it is much more likely that any mediocre QB that didn't lose games, and just didn't mess up, would have won a SB with their respective top ranking defenses, than it is a QB like BJ or Dilfer would have carried their team to a SB win with a mediocre defense.

The '86 Bears were almost as good, the '06 ravens were almost as good. those teams didn't even win playoff games.


I understand though, it's hard w/o great fantasy #s for fans to understand how good a QB is or actually how valuable one is. Playing QB is not about throwing for 300 yds every game, most teams that do that aren't winning. It's about making big plays, limiting the big mistake more than the crazy #s.

Those QBs were vital to those runs. does that mean they were the ONLY QBs that they could have won with? of course not and it's silly to even have to explain that but that doesn't take away from the fact that those QBs played huge roles in those SB runs.

 

[truedolfan57]

wouldn't say they played huge roles. obviously they played a role, as the QB always plays a role. But that does not mean they were a huge part in making the super bowl, and winning.

 

[nyjunc]

wouldn't say they played huge roles. obviously they played a role, as the QB always plays a role. But that does not mean they were a huge part in making the super bowl, and winning.

They were vital, obviously the D led those teams but the point is even the greatest D's still need quality QB play to win. Watch the America's games series on those SB teams to get a better sense of it. They were more important than most of us realize.

 

[cleezy13]

They were vital, obviously the D led those teams but the point is even the greatest D's still need quality QB play to win. Watch the America's games series on those SB teams to get a better sense of it. They were more important than most of us realize.

Bottom line put any of those QBs on any other team with even an above average D and they don't even sniff playoffs, hence Roethlisberger never getting back to playoffs since the D fell off and he still had good players on the offensive side of the ball and good D not great as it was before but still above average. Oh and his one playoff appearance with the above average steelers D he lost to tebow in the first round.

Were has all that eliteness came into play then???? Dude is so overrated its funny he gets put into the Brady, Manning, Brees category.

Just like Wilson both had very similar situations which are rare to come into esp for a first round pick but if any other team would have drafted them except a sb ready team, they wouldn't even be talked about.

 

[nyjunc]

Bottom line put any of those QBs on any other team with even an above average D and they don't even sniff playoffs, hence Roethlisberger never getting back to playoffs since the D fell off and he still had good players on the offensive side of the ball and good D not great as it was before but still above average. Oh and his one playoff appearance with the above average steelers D he lost to tebow.

Were has all that eliteness came into play then????

I don't think you realize how good some of those Qbs are. Pitt has been in cap hell for years w/ an old roster and they are still a playoff contender every year b/c of Ben.

he lost to tebow b/c his D gave up an 80 yd TD in OT. he led his O to 23 pts in regulation and led his team back from 20-6 down to get it to OT. Never had a chance in OT b/c of the D

 

[cleezy13]

I don't think you realize how good some of those Qbs are. Pitt has been in cap hell for years w/ an old roster and they are still a playoff contender every year b/c of Ben.

he lost to tebow b/c his D gave up an 80 yd TD in OT. he led his O to 23 pts in regulation and led his team back from 20-6 down to get it to OT. Never had a chance in OT b/c of the D

I live in Pitt I know all about his overrated ass and first off the broncos were terrible that year and again my whole point is he isn't an elite qb, good QB yes, not elite (nowhere near elite).... An elite qb would have torched that broncos team that really wasn't a playoff team 8-8. Bens D couldn't carry him creating turnovers setting him up for easy scores, hence he lost like always. He won a SB with a 13.7 QB rating (worst of all time) tell me the last time anyone has one a game let alone a SB with that rating ****s hilarious, samething against cards Harrison gets a pick 6 right before half to seal that game basically (and please don't tell me he made the game winning drive he threw a 5-10 yard out because it was 3rd and 20 after ben got sacked and dropped the ball and Holmes made two guys miss and took it all the way down to the zona 5 yard line again Ben gets bailed out from his talent around him) . Just seems odd once the D wasn't great and just above average Ben can't bring them back to the playoffs??? Give any of the true Elite QBs his teams and without a doubt they make playoffs every year.

 

[nyjunc]

I live in Pitt I know all about his overrated ass and first off the broncos were terrible that year and again my whole point is he isn't an elite qb, good QB yes, not elite (nowhere near elite).... An elite qb would have torched that broncos team that really wasn't a playoff team 8-8. Bens D couldn't carry him creating turnovers setting him up for easy scores, hence he lost like always. He won a SB with a 13.7 QB rating (worst of all time) tell me the last time anyone has one a game let alone a SB with that rating ****s hilarious, samething against cards Harrison gets a pick 6 right before half to seal that game basically. Just seems odd once the D wasn't great and just above average Ben can't bring them back to the playoffs??? Give any of the true Elite QBs his teams and without a doubt they make playoffs every year.

The Broncos were not terrible,. they had a QB that couldn't throw but they were very talented and they beat Pitt w/ their offense not w/ their defense shutting down Ben.

you keep showing me ratings as if they tell us anything, Pitt doesn't make the SB in 2005 w/o ben's great run in the AFC playoffs.

he led one of the greatest drives in SB history after his D blew a big lead and won the next SB.

 

[cleezy13]

JUNC what did Brady do to that Broncos team after being down a ton??? He blew them out cause he's Elite lol.

Then buried them again 45-10 in the playoffs cmon man!

 

[nyjunc]

JUNC what did Brady do to that Broncos team after being down a ton??? He blew them out cause he's Elite lol.

they never trailed in that game and Brady is a top 5 all time QB, that is better than elite. also, NE hosted Denver, Pitt played at Mile High.

 

[greasyObnoxious]

they never trailed in that game and Brady is a top 5 all time QB, that is better than elite. also, NE hosted Denver, Pitt played at Mile High.

even then, he couldn't possibly be better than elite in any one game. he'll be considered one of the best because he was consistently elite.

 

[cleezy13]

The Broncos were not terrible,. they had a QB that couldn't throw but they were very talented and they beat Pitt w/ their offense not w/ their defense shutting down Ben.

you keep showing me ratings as if they tell us anything, Pitt doesn't make the SB in 2005 w/o ben's great run in the AFC playoffs.

he led one of the greatest drives in SB history after his D blew a big lead and won the next SB.

Good QB not Elite....That Drive was all Santonio Holmes??? I could have thrown the 5-10 yard out and he could have taken it 70 yards by making two guys miss (which a tackle would have ended that game most likely) from great individual effort to the zona 5 yard line but how is that me?? that was all Holmes yet I would get credit for one of the greatest drives?? If harrison doesn't make that play before half he for sure loses.

 

[nyjunc]

Good QB not Elite....That Drive was all Santonio Holmes??? I could have thrown the 5-10 yard out and he could have taken it 70 yards by making two guys miss (which a tackle would have ended that game most likely) from great individual effort to the zona 5 yard line but how is that me?? that was all Holmes yet I would get credit for one of the greatest drives?? If harrison doesn't make that play before half he for sure loses.

clearly you hate the Steelers and Ben.