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How Long Does It Take Great QBs To Break Out

Tureo said:
Let's keep in mind when bringing up the 4k yards that all we did last year was throw the ball. Not to discount Tanney but it is a fact that we would totally disregard the run game for weeks at a time.
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Good point.

But, let's also not forget that it is much harder throwing against 6 or 7 guys while the defense generates a lot of pressure with only 4 guys. And, without the threat of a run game to take them out of coverage, he cannot use one of his best tools, the play action fake. Also, the DL can pin their ears back and give a full rush every play.

I'm confident that any QB would prefer to have a running game. Heck, even the fantastically successful passing game of Green Bay that we were modeled after does. The great Aaron Rodgers was ecstatic whenever he had a running game.

Yes, throwing all the time will rack up higher yardage totals. That is very true. But, when they know you can only pass, it gets much more difficult to pass. Especially when your OL is imploding for one of the top 10 ever worst sacks years in NFL history.

Even when throwing all the time, those are some impressive numbers when you can't run.
 
Lol. I know Tannehill has a lot to prove this season but saying he will be an anomaly is a bit much. Even the reference to buttfumble was ify at best because there was a time that even buttfumble could have turned the corner and played at a higher level. It was in his third year.

I'd like to see where Tannehill compares to every QB drafted who is either a 5th, 4th or 3rd year player this season. Meaning a samples size of two 16 set seasons in year 1 and 2 for all.

The comments in the blog by this guy (Erick Delgado) are spot on. This write-up is very flexible toward saying what the writer wants it to say and not very well defined in terms of statistical definitions of several things 1) what is a franchise QB 2) How do the QBs in their 3rd to 5th years stack up when compared 3) how do rushing yards and rushing TDs influence the stats 4) what is the definition of a ****y team (unless I've slept through a few years I'd say Miami has been pretty ****y) 5) how do 1st rounders, compare to 2nd, 3rd etc...when broken down the same way?

I could go on but won't and I'll summarize by saying, there is no excuse for Tannehill this year. He either is going to be the answer or he is not, regardless of this write-up the end of the year record will tell you everything you need to know about Ryan Tannehill and his future with the Miami Dolphins.
 
Well looking at comments he is a Jets fan so that explains a lot lol
 
j-off-her-doll said:
As I've been arguing for what seems like forever, any worthwhile survey of QB's, looks at efficiency numbers. No one but the common, uneducated fan, values yards - without weighing them against attempts. This article also supports what I've been arguing. If a QB does not play well early, the odds are stacked against him. There is reason for hope - with the new offense, etc. But this board needs to wake up to the FACT that history doesn't like Tannehill's chances. It's not about fault; it's about results. Early success is not ONLY an indication of talent, but it's an indication that the QB's organization knows how to groom that QB. There are always exceptions, and I hope that Tannehill is one of these exceptions. Understand, though, that if he succeeds, he would be an exception.
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Not at all, as we can see, the list of good QBs who performed poorly in a bad spot is long. Five years down the line, how do you think a team that featured Hartline, Bess and Fasano as its best receivers the first year and the second year an O-line that "blocked and acted like high school girls", featuring three guys who did not have a team the next year and three more that are on the bubble look? Like pretty extenuating circumstances, I'd say.

After what we've seen out of Tanny and the offense so far, it's hard, very hard to be pessimistic.
 
Tureo said:
Let's keep in mind when bringing up the 4k yards that all we did last year was throw the ball. Not to discount Tanney but it is a fact that we would totally disregard the run game for weeks at a time.
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Which is what makes it even more impressive. All he did was throw against teams that KNEW all he was going to do was throw, yet he still produced positive TD/INT ratio. And STILL was sacked 3.5 times a game with only 4-5 rushers. Discount him all you want to but he was WAY above average.
 
Rodman89 said:
http://www.footballperspective.com/how-long-does-it-take-great-quarterbacks-to-break-out/

This is an article I read that I figured some would maybe find interesting. There's even an intriguing little segment about Tannehill in the conclusion.
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Yeah, let's define stats by saying that the ones that disprove your point are taken out of the equation so that your biased point seems more valid. Then with the others define the reasons ("excuses") as to why they were held back or their stats affected by outside sources.

Mark it down everyone reading this. Ryan Tannehill is the real deal and will show himself to be a top 10 QB this season. His numbers from last season are spectacular given what he was dealt.
 
Vaark said:
We saw last season that Matt Ryan, the favorite lollipop of some around here, even with Football Outsiders #9 ranked pass protection OL can't carry a team when his superstars go down either.. but then again we've already seen that he has difficulty carrying a team with all his superstar receivers and GOAT TE when it's the midnight hour in postseason, so in that respect Tannehill is probably in the majority, not the minority when it comes to good and high potential QBs doing their best Archie Manning imitation. Essentially you've got Peyton, Brady and Rodgers and then everyone else - as Brees proved in the '12 season. But be that as it may, I didn't realize the Helen Keller Institute had a fantasy football blogger. Props to him for trying. :up:
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I agree, he's in the majority. That majority includes decent, mediocre and bad QB's. So we know he's not elite of course. We will find out a lot this year (through the whole year, not just the beginning when our offense takes teams by surprise). I still think that Tannehill will need a lot more time but at least he's in the right offense now I think.

All the blogger is doing is comparing based on one stat. It's clear he has an agenda, much like those who constantly talk about 27TD's and 3900 yards do for the pro Tannehill side. There's a whole story and it includes those good things and the bad things like yards per attempt (27th) and QB rating which kind of considers most of the story (24th).
 
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The article didn't say what Tannehill's ANY/A was for his first two seasons. Anyone known?
 
The article is about the 42 best QBs over a 43 year period. Tannehill does not need to be in that group to lead this team deep into the playoffs. Frankly, I would be happy with a playoff win. I will never be satisfied until we win the Super Bowl, but I digress.

I believe the article is interesting. I enjoyed reading it. It has helped me clarify my expectations. I want Tannehill to improve this year. I want more consistency, fewer ints, a higher completion percentage, and more wins.
 
I second what FinHopeful said. Tannehill doesn't even have to be a star. If you look at the group of QBs the author examined, how many recent Superbowl winners are in the discussion? An article discussing the great QBs that doesn't mention Russell Wilson? I don't see Joe Flacco's name in there or even Eli Manning. Just throwing out some positives here.

I hope Ryan Tannehill goes on to be great, but he's got to separate himself from the pack of very average to very good players with elite play. I'm not knocking Tannehill. We should be giddy if he goes on to be pretty good. Pretty good is good enough to win championships.
 
If RT was special you wouldn't need to post these threads every season.


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Did I read the last paragraph correctly? Did he say Brady was solid but not spectacular? Didn't Brady win the Super Bowl his first year as starter when he took over for Drew Bledsoe?
 
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