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How many wins for Philbin to keep his job?

KTOWNFINFAN said:
Everyone thought our defense was going to be top 5 last year and we were closer to bottom 5 than top.
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We were 20th in defensive yards allowed and 8th best in points allowed. So we were somewhere in the middle defensively.
 
I think he keeps his job unless he makes bad decisions. i don't think there is a number of wins that should keep a coach his job. if the team goes 18-1 and the one lose is because you didn't take the team you were paying in the Super Bowl seriously you should be just as worried about losing your job as someone that goes 6-10 with an injured quarterback.
 
13finfan4ever said:
I think he keeps his job unless he makes bad decisions. i don't think there is a number of wins that should keep a coach his job. if the team goes 18-1 and the one lose is because you didn't take the team you were paying in the Super Bowl seriously you should be just as worried about losing your job as someone that goes 6-10 with an injured quarterback.
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I agree with that sentiment. IMO a coach needs a lot of things besides numbers and final results in the W-L columns.

For example, all the greatness Bill Bellicheck gets praise for, the last 2 times he was in the SB, the Pats looked fairly broken by the end, and the other years, the team got dropped by some other AFC team that simply outplayed them in the heat of battle. Last years game against Denver they really didn't look that great. Sure he's a top 5 coach that many a team would want to have, but I know I've seen in the past few years many a fan talk of the Pats starting to slow down, weaken, and the Pats have not tasted the victory they're capable of achieving for more than quite a few years now with Brady at the helm.
Not to say if I was a Pats fan I'd be calling for the axe necessarily, but I would definitely begin to question whether the coach of my team still has what it takes to get another SB win, and if perhaps change is a good thing after all.

Likewise, if Philbin can start to look like a coach that can win the big games and start to take care of the small ones handedly, I think you keep the guy regardless of his record, and let the roster improve itself year by year.
 
Seven or fewer wins and he should be fired the day after the season ends. Eight wins and he should probably be replaced if there's any chance of an upgrade.

Of course since Ross-- the man who thought Sparano deserved to come back after the way he ended the 2010 season-- is calling the shots, he's probably safe no matter what.
 
Tannenballs said:
The back 7 of the defense is a huge question mark, as is Philbin. I honestly think he is a terrible head coach. What is he good at? Clearly not offensive line, or offense in general. He's not a leader/motivator as the team **** the bed in the 2 most important games of the year. He's a typical assistant coach who gets a shot and returns to being an assistant coach. He didn't even call plays in GB..
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of the top of my head, he is great at winning challenges. His record clearly shows this. He has kept this team together through the JMart crap and rebuilt this Oline in one offseason. He got Bill Lazor in here and there is absolutely no one else I would take over him right now.

He also is good at using his timeouts and manages the game pretty much better than anyone I have seen here since Don Shula. He brought a Green Bay type offense predicated on not just one or two guys, but 5-6 guys who can produce in this system (more is needed but it certainly looks like its on the way).
 
13finfan4ever said:
I think he keeps his job unless he makes bad decisions. i don't think there is a number of wins that should keep a coach his job. if the team goes 18-1 and the one lose is because you didn't take the team you were paying in the Super Bowl seriously you should be just as worried about losing your job as someone that goes 6-10 with an injured quarterback.
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When Peter King was in talking to the finsiders, when asked about where the Dolphins stand, he said you have to think about these guys in the future. He basically said Joe has built this team and now just has to go out there and make it happen. Think future, not just making the playoffs ect ect. This team will not survive another coaching change and the "grass is greener" effect that many here have is only going to mean starting all over again. Lazor gone, defense gone, players traded or let go. I am not pulling for Joe's demise like some on here.
 
he reminds me way too much of cam, and at least cam called the plays when he was an OC...
 
Fins1971 said:
We were 20th in defensive yards allowed and 8th best in points allowed. So we were somewhere in the middle defensively.
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21st I believe, but no biggie

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dlockz said:
Not unless he does an amazing job as OC. Lazor has not done enough at any level to be considered as HC
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Nor had Philbin
 
My guess is he stays with 7 or more just so long as there are some injuries, bad kicks or bad zebra calls to rationalize the probability of another two wins or so. Ross really likes Philbin, picked him over the guy now in SD so he has an emotional stake and no one likes to be proven wrong. Either way, if Philbin goes, Hickey stays and the new GM will be asked to consult with Marino to pick a mid round drafted QB to compete with Tannehill. That's the way I see it.
 
I can't believe some on here are advocating keeping Philbin around with a record less than 9-7. If he does, that would mean that he would have gone 3 consecutive years with a losing record. Who was the last HC to start his career with a team with 3 consecutive sub-.500 seasons and ever even MAKE the playoffs with the same team, much less win a playoff game?

The only one that comes to mind is Jeff Fisher who finally made the playoffs in his 6th year (though he did make it all the way to the SB that year)
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/FishJe0.htm

So, do you all really want a Jeff Fisher?
 
SkapePhin said:
I can't believe some on here are advocating keeping Philbin around with a record less than 9-7. If he does, that would mean that he would have gone 3 consecutive years with a losing record. Who was the last HC to start his career with a team with 3 consecutive sub-.500 seasons and ever even MAKE the playoffs with the same team, much less win a playoff game?

The only one that comes to mind is Jeff Fisher who finally made the playoffs in his 6th year (though he did make it all the way to the SB that year)
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/FishJe0.htm

So, do you all really want a Jeff Fisher?
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Belicheat?
 
PhinFan1968 said:
Belicheat?
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Ya, way back in the early 90s.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/BeliBi0.htm

Completely different eras as far as I am concerned. I also haven't seen anything from Philbin to suggest he is on the same intellectual level as BB. If I had, perhaps I would be a bit more patient. From everything we seen, Philbin is the epitome of average - he doesn't excel in any one area of coaching other than setting schedules.
 
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