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How much Jarvis Landry do we see?

Ruckus45 said:
Prob about 12 Offensive snaps. Not much but worked in.
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That is a pretty big number considering a team only has about 60 offensive snaps per game. That would make up 20% of the snaps. Personally I think Mathews gets as many or more than Landry, at least for the first few games. I was thinking more like 5-7 snaps, something like I expect to see McCain on defense. Landry will get plenty of action from just his STs duties. One fumbled punt would probably cost us the game. He doesn't need too much on his plate until he can show he can handle it all.
I think we can learn from history that Landry has a better chance of losing a game for us than winning it, at this point in his career. Rookies trying to make a name for themselves often try too hard. Returning a punt that should be a fair catch, or bringing out a kickoff that is 8 yards deep in the end zone are mistakes that are made from trying too hard, that can cost teams wins. He can earn his teammates and fans approval by being safe, rather than explosive on STs.
 
spiketex said:
Ye of little faith. I think that Tannehill is a terrific backup QB fantasy Draft pick.
I know it's important not to bring your emotions into it but if Andrew Luck is a 4th round fantasy draft pick, Tannehill is a great value as a backup in the 12th round and later. Check the yardage from last season. Tannehill threw for greater yardage than Luck and now he has better weapons, a better O-line to keep him upright and a better Offensive Coordinator than last year.
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I think Tannehill is a great sleeper pick and a solid back up. But in a 12 team league, he would not get drafted.

I'm the type to not roll with a backup QB eating up a bench slot (my league only allows 5 bench).
 
MRojas4 said:
I think Tannehill is a great sleeper pick and a solid back up. But in a 12 team league, he would not get drafted.

I'm the type to not roll with a backup QB eating up a bench slot (my league only allows 5 bench).
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I'm in a 12 team league and Tannehill is my only quarterback. Of course, I'm a homer and am predicting 4500 yards and 30+ TDs
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
#4 I totally disagree with. He has not shown the ability to put up big YAC yards at this level and I doubt he will. Bess had HUGE YAC yards in college and very few in the pros, and he was a lot quicker than Landry, with the same kind of speed. Landry will not gain huge separation and will be tackled as soon as he puts those huge mits on the ball. I love Landry's attitude and willingness to block, but I said it before and will again, he won't be in the top 3 in reception, yards, and TDs for us as a rookie. He will be a solid backup with the potential to become a solid #2 in a few years. I saw out of him in the preseason just about exactly what I thought I would see, and he is not the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice, or even Hines Ward for that matter. I think his career will be much closer to Hartline with better blocking abilities than either of the other two I just mentioned.
Don't get me wrong, I like the pick, just don't get your hopes too high that he is going to be ROY, he won't be.
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I'm actually in the moderate camp when it comes to excitement about Landry. Not least because this is a committee offense and nobody is going to dominate. But this guy is not the slouch on the field everyone seems to suggest he is and he already showed in preseason that he can get upfield on well placed throws to him between the hashmarks.

I wouldn't imagine he'll be a ROY candidate either, but then nobody thought Keenan Allen would be last year either. (Interestingly, Allen tweaked his hammy at the combine too and ran a very pedestrian 4.71/4.75 at his pro day. Landry ran 4.65 WITH the hammy problem and 4.5 at his pro day.)

I disagree with you that he won't get any separation. Landry doesn't scrub off speed with heavy-footed direction changes and he's actually pretty nifty out of his breaks as a result. But. like I say, I'm pretty moderate on him in terms of him turning out to be some kind of elite receiver.
 
I expect to see him in red zone packages simply because of his run blocking, body control, and sure hands. He is not big but he finds the ball and attacks it. I would love to see a red zone package with Landry, Matthews, Gibson, Clay, and Moreno. A couple of good blocking WR's and all good pass catchers, spread them out and run or pass depending of Tanne's read. Damn, is it Sunday yet?!
 
Ben Had said:
I dont think they are concerned with Wallace. I think they stack the box, stop the run and do their best to limit our quick passing game. Wallace hasnt proved anything yet and I believe is still seen as a one trick pony.
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I hear a lot of people saying the same two things: Tannehill and Wallace have yet to really click deep and Wallace is a one trick pony that can only run the deep routes.

Last year Wallace had 73 receptions for 950 yards and 5 touchdowns. While those numbers don't justify his large contract, they're not horrible numbers either. If you're not getting a lot of long passes and you still catch close to 75 passes for 1,000 yards you have to be making some plays on shorter and intermediate routes. Wallace, with few long passes, almost had the same numbers that Hartline (76 for 1016 yards and 4 tds). Wallace made a lot of catches on stop, curl, out and crossing routes last year. Those are the same routes Hartline makes a majority of his receptions.

Wallace might be a very average to even below average route runner for a starting NFL receiver and he best suited for running deep routes, but I don't think he's as useless in the overall passing game as some people believe.
 
I'm guessing he gets 3-4 passes thrown his way. I am really hoping that we do not see any rookie mistakes/decisions in the return game.
 
Miami needs to play Landry early and often. We drafted him because Hartline is just an average WR.
 
Southbeach 2 said:
I'm guessing he gets 3-4 passes thrown his way. I am really hoping that we do not see any rookie mistakes/decisions in the return game.
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It will depend on injuries. Right now I see Hartline, Clay, Wallace, Gibson, Matthews and Moreno getting more targets than Landry does. Landry could move ahead of Matthews and Moreno in targets, but it's unlikely he cracks the top four if they remain healthy.
 
Fin Thirteen said:
I'm actually in the moderate camp when it comes to excitement about Landry. Not least because this is a committee offense and nobody is going to dominate. But this guy is not the slouch on the field everyone seems to suggest he is and he already showed in preseason that he can get upfield on well placed throws to him between the hashmarks.

I wouldn't imagine he'll be a ROY candidate either, but then nobody thought Keenan Allen would be last year either. (Interestingly, Allen tweaked his hammy at the combine too and ran a very pedestrian 4.71/4.75 at his pro day. Landry ran 4.65 WITH the hammy problem and 4.5 at his pro day.)

I disagree with you that he won't get any separation. Landry doesn't scrub off speed with heavy-footed direction changes and he's actually pretty nifty out of his breaks as a result. But. like I say, I'm pretty moderate on him in terms of him turning out to be some kind of elite receiver.
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I heard Barnwell and Mays talking about Allen in their player props podcast and they think he's going to have a huge year. They said he's one of these guys thats not fast but he just has an incredible ability to get open. That is what a lot of us are hoping for out of Landry. If he indeed shows to have that ability combined with his incredible hands combined with his work ethic he really could be a special player.
 
Fin Thirteen said:
2) Blocking. Landry is the best blocking WR on the roster. Given the new offense, we will fail without blocking WRs to open up the screens, RB option reads and short routes.
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Can you actually demonstrate that this is the case? Because from what I've seen of his blocking, it's NOT good. At all. I was extremely unimpressed by his effort blocking in the preseason.
 
If Landry gets hurt returning kicks he won't have much impact at all at WR.

The player development of this team has me stunned, sometimes. You finally get a good QB and throw him out there w. the worst OL and bottom of the league talent at skill positions -- including sending away a high level RB w. pure arrogance.

Now, you finally get a second round WR who can do some things, and you put him where he's least equipped to make a difference: return game. AND where he can get hurt.

Landry's skills are at WR -- hands, body control, owning zones, helping QBs -- amazing and potentially GREAT. In the return game, he's just a slightly improved version of Bess. Which is to say, not even as good as Thigpen.

Why? It's stupid, imo.

The slower returners take huge hits in the return game. Only your elite returners eat up angles and create off-balance contact. Landry returning the football is NOT the way to develop him as a WR.

LD
 
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