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How the hell is Montana beating marino nfl vote

All great QB's. Marino is the best thrower of a football I have ever seen. Montana was excellent and very, very clutch. Elway was such a complete package too.

When you talk about the complete package of QB, Aaron Rogers might be near the top when he is done. His release and arm strength is the closest to Marino I can think of.
 
So what happened when Montana left the 49ers and what Happened when Marino left the Dolphins? A lot of QBs would have won SBs in SF.
 
Dan was greatest passing QB, and one of the all time greats. 10 years ago he was held in much higher regard. With Brady and manning taking most of his records, they have passed him.
IMHO, Montana was a system QB with no better QB talent than a Dilfer. He happened to be on a great team. No way he is number 1 because of his superbowls. If that were the criteria, I would put Bradshaw above him.
Dan will always be the greatest to me, I lived and breathed the Dolphins during his years. I watched every play. None better IMHO.
 
honestly, Montana is the only one I can accept putting ahead of Dan. Not just for the super bowl rings, but for how he played in the games. Anyway, no doubt that, at least from the 1984, he had always the best team (and the 1984 49ers were one of the best teams of all time, statistically and on the field - poor Dan... it would have been different if he went aginst a weak Bears team, like the only Peyton M. SB - I realiza that the League was way different in the two time frame, but still. Dan was kind of unlucky in getting his only shot - aging Dolphins team - against one of the best of all time, like that SF team)

bird33 said:
i actually think hes underrated for what he accomplished with the dolphins.
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me too


as usual, sorry for my bad English
 
Look at Brady and Manning.... Ask someone who the better Qb is and you'll forever get the answer Brady..


It's the same in every sport. Whoever wins gets the glory.
 
Don Shula did Marino no favors. Still, I have a hard time rating Marino ahead of Montana. You can say Marino would have won 8 SB's with that SF team until you're blue in the face. Montana has been the most successful playoff QB of all time, and that's when it matters. Obviously, he had much better teams, and it's not a "fair" comparison, but one guy did it multiple times on the biggest stage, and the other might have with a better team. If we're talking about them as prospects, it's a different thing, but we're talking about their careers, and there's no doubt that Montana had the better career.

And let's not act like Montana lacked special attributes.

It's not a fair argument, but once the argument is started, Montana clearly - and without a doubt - had the better career. If the jerseys were reversed, this board would be making fun of the 28% (or whatever the number is) that's voting for Marino.
 
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Montana is clearly a better QB.

Someone should look up both of their POST Season stats and show them side by side.

Jeff George had great stats too.

I grew up watching all of Marino's games, many of them in person at the Orange Bowl.

We lost the games that matter every year.

The Bills beat us consistently, our Defense was not that bad and our running game was not that bad either.

O'Brien outdueled Marino more than once. If Montana played QB for the Dolphins he would have won just as many rings. When the game was on the line he won more it is that simple
 
I am a little surprised by the huge gap but figured Montana would get more votes. I bet if the Baltimore Sun had a vote after their Super Bowl win on who would you want to guide your team through the playoffs: Flacco or Marino, Flacco would win.
 
This stuff pisses me off. I wish people would learn to differentiate between being the best QB and being on the best team.

Winning a Super Bowl is a team thing not just a QB thing.

QB stats is the way to determine the best QB not Superbowl rings. Dilfer won a Superbowl but he is by no way a better QB then Marino.

Joe Montana even said if was playing for Miami he would not have he rings and vise versa of Marino was playing with SF's team at the time. This should tell you something.
 
Zildjianz said:
This stuff pisses me off. I wish people would learn to differentiate between being the best QB and being on the best team.

Winning a Super Bowl is a team thing not just a QB thing.

QB stats is the way to determine the best QB not Superbowl rings. Dilfer won a Superbowl but he is by no way a better QB then Marino.

Joe Montana even said if was playing for Miami he would not have he rings and vise versa of Marino was playing with SF's team at the time. This should tell you something.
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I have a hard time believing that Montana said if he played for Miami he wouldn't have had the rings.... You happen to have a link?
 
Danny always loses to Joe in these polls. For most, Super Bowls are everything. End of story.


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Zildjianz said:
This stuff pisses me off. I wish people would learn to differentiate between being the best QB and being on the best team.

Winning a Super Bowl is a team thing not just a QB thing.

QB stats is the way to determine the best QB not Superbowl rings. Dilfer won a Superbowl but he is by no way a better QB then Marino.

Joe Montana even said if was playing for Miami he would not have he rings and vise versa of Marino was playing with SF's team at the time. This should tell you something.
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Montana had a better TD/INT ratio than Marino and a slightly higher YPA.
 
tcdrover said:
Montana is clearly a better QB.

Someone should look up both of their POST Season stats and show them side by side.

Jeff George had great stats too.

I grew up watching all of Marino's games, many of them in person at the Orange Bowl.

We lost the games that matter every year.

The Bills beat us consistently, our Defense was not that bad and our running game was not that bad either.

O'Brien outdueled Marino more than once. If Montana played QB for the Dolphins he would have won just as many rings. When the game was on the line he won more it is that simple
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Ridiculous. Montana wasn't clearly better. He played on clearly better teams. Montana was not a better QB than Marino. I saw every game Marino played, and if you think Marino was out dueled by Ken O'Brien because of what Dan was doing and not because he played with one of the worst defensive teams you have ever seen than you simply had no idea what you were watching. Just for example, in 1986, the Dolphins opened the season against San Diego and gave up 50 points. Dan threw 3td passes and no interceptions and they lost 50 to 28. Two weeks later against the Jets the Dolphins lost in overtime 51 to 45. The Jets won the coin toss in overtime and scored a td in two plays if my memory is correct. In that game Dan had 6 td passes and threw for 448 yrds. For the season that year Dan threw for 4,746 yrds and 44 td passes and the team finished with an 8-8 record. Much of the rest of his career went the same way. In 1995 the Dolphins lost in the playoffs to the Buffalo Bills 37-22 in which Buffalo rushed for, get this, 341 yrds. After the game I remember Thurman Thomas actually making fun of the fact that the Dolphins had Tom Olivadotti as their defensive coordinator for such a long time and how bad he was. I will also make the case that the only hall of fame player Dan ever played with was Dwight Stephenson and that was only for a very short time. As far as a running game, your assertion that it wasn't that bad is way off base. The parade of journeyman running backs that he played with were laughable. The only reason the Dolphins even had any meager success running the ball at all was because every defense they faced was solely geared up to stop Dan and the passing game. So, you are clearly right. It was Dan Marino's fault that the Dolphins couldn't win in the post season. Absurd.
 
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