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I don't understand Failbin.

SkapePhin said:
Just as we are doing with Tannehill, you must eventually do with Philbin and you will come to realize that those flaws were always there, you were just too entrenched in your position to see them.
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I am entrenched in one thing: the average football fan is a moron. This thread and these debates only further cements that belief.

You guys like this coulda, woulda, shoulda game to make the perfect call in hindsight. Daniel Thomas should have ran out of bounds instead of picking up a meaningless extra yard. Who you want to blame for Thomas being a moron is the only thing up for debate.
 
roy_miami said:
I am entrenched in one thing: the average football fan is a moron. This thread and these debates only further cements that belief.
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Yet you fail to give even ONE reason as to why you still have faith in Philbin, despite overwhelming evidence that he simply isn't cut out for the gig... OK football genius, please enlighten us. What has Philbin done or what qualities does he possess to give you such unwavering faith that he will ever be anything more than middling HC?
 
SkapePhin said:
Yet you fail to give even ONE reason as to why you still have faith in Philbin, despite overwhelming evidence that he simply isn't cut out for the gig... OK football genius, please enlighten us. What has Philbin done or what qualities does he possess to give you such unwavering faith that he will ever be anything more than middling HC?
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I maintain, and always have, that if he gets good QB play, not average QB play, or even above average QB play but good to great QB play Joe Philbin would not have held the team back. It would be illogical to change my opinion on that based on the fact that we've seen nothing but horrible QB play. If you want to say Tannehill would be a great QB under a better coach, thats fine, but I disagree. If you want to blame Philbin for us being in this poor situation at QB to begin with then that is where we could find some common ground, and I have no problem with firing a coach that picked the wrong QBs.
 
roy_miami said:
I maintain, and always have, that if he gets good QB play, not average QB play, or even above average QB play but good to great QB play Joe Philbin would not have held the team back. It would be illogical to change my opinion on that based on the fact that we've seen nothing but horrible QB play. If you want to say Tannehill would be a great QB under a better coach, thats fine, but I disagree. If you want to blame Philbin for us being in this poor situation at QB to begin with then that is where we could find some common ground, and I have no problem with firing a coach that picked the wrong QBs.
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That isn't much of an answer, and I have heard you say this before. Any coach benefits from great QB play. Brad Childress and Jim Caldwell (2 awful HCs not unlike Philbin in some respects) both managed to take their team to championship games with good/great QB play. Sparano won the division with good/great QB play. If its ALL about QB play, why does the HC even matter at all? Might as well have a trained chimp on the sideline then.

Tannehills has been the very definition of average, but he also hasn't been horrific. And I certainly DO believe part of his problems can be attributed to coaching. He has never been put in the best positions to succeed based on his talents and skill sets. The guy is an athlete (former WR) but they REFUSE to roll him out. He has consistently shown that he throws better and is more accurate on the run, but they hardly ever call plays to his strengths. He seems to perform better in uptempo, no huddle, 2 minute situations, yet your beloved Mr. Philbin chose to drain the clock with a full alottment of timeouts and a 2 minute warning down 9 points. As Tannehill demonstrated in yesterday's game, that was an awful decision because no matter how poorly he is playing, he has demonstrated he plays better in those situations.

"He would win more games with a great QB" isn't an excuse anyone should use for ANY HC's performance, much less one who hasn't demonstrated mastery of any skill that is crucial to being a good HC. Philbin does nothing great, he brings nothing to the table. And with your meek defense, it seems you can't point out anything great he brings to the table either...
 
roy_miami said:
I maintain, and always have, that if he gets good QB play, not average QB play, or even above average QB play but good to great QB play Joe Philbin would not have held the team back. It would be illogical to change my opinion on that based on the fact that we've seen nothing but horrible QB play. If you want to say Tannehill would be a great QB under a better coach, thats fine, but I disagree. If you want to blame Philbin for us being in this poor situation at QB to begin with then that is where we could find some common ground, and I have no problem with firing a coach that picked the wrong QBs.
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So, do you have any other bits of evidence to suggest Philbin is somehow a good coach other than the lame "if he had a quarterback" excuse?
 
Hindsight is 20/20 sums this up for me. Sure we can all say well we should have done that differently, but when the fact that this is happening 10-15 + times a game it boils down to the fact that bad decisions are constantly being made. Why did we run on 3rd and 10, why did we pass on 3rd and 1. These questions are being asked all the time after a game. It is his job to have his coaches make the right decisions that help us win, and too often his decisions are mind boggling and don't work.

I don't care if decisions are being made to protect this team or whatever, right now they are failing and we are losing. A good coach at some point has to realize this and say **** it I am going to at least win by going for it instead of losing being scared of what bad may happen.
 
roy_miami said:
Yes. But you wouldn't comprehend it.
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Oh, how convenient!

Reminds me of the responses I usually get from evangelicals when I catch them on something they cannot back up with anything other than their own befuddled interpretation of scripture...
 
Some of this is the new system and lazor being a rookie OC.

he clearly doesnt understand getting the first down first.
 
Skape, I agree with what you said about rolling Tannehill out. Its like philbin is hellbent on keeping him in the pocket. I really don't get it. I mean I understand trying to get him to learn to be a pocket passer but let him use his natural abilities and skill set.
 
SkapePhin said:
Oh, how convenient!

Reminds me of the responses I usually get from evangelicals when I catch them on something they cannot back up with anything other than their own befuddled interpretation of scripture...
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Actually, its quite the contrary. What I see with my eyes is backed up with scientific data. My analytics suggest Philbin may not just be good or average but he has the potential to be elite.

Some of you guys have hated Philbin before he even coached a single game. Did some little birdie tell you he would be bad? I don't pay attention to coaching or GM candidates, I prefer to give every Dolphin a clean slate and judge them on their own performance as a Dolphin. If you back a favorite coaching or GM candidate before the process is complete I think a lot of you become biased.
 
Dthrill_08 said:
Remember when he was in GB Rodgers was one of the most sacked QBS lol
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I don't want to interrupt all the Philbin bashing but...Philbin was the assistant OL coach from 2003-2005 and the OL coach in 2006 when the Packers only gave up 24 sacks, 21 of those on Brett Favre and 3 on Aaron Rodgers. He became the OC in 2007.

OK, carry on with your Philbin bashing.
 
How about this situation? Mike Tomlin played it conservative at the end of yesterday's game by not allowing his Superbowl winning QB to convert a 3rd down by throwing. Instead, he chose to run the ball to exhaust Tampa Bay's timeouts.

I gather that most think Tomlin is an excellent coach. He played it conservative despite having a two-time Superbowl winning QB who was having a 3 TD, 0 INT day. Yet Philbin decided to be conservative despite his offense having produced 25 total yards up until the point of decision.

Now if Philbin did yesterday what Tomlin did if in that situation he would have been lambasted on this site. So the point is that it is easy to be critical after the fact when a reasonable decision doesn't work out, even though a priori the conservative decision was logical. So I assume that Tomlin must be getting severely criticized in the General NFL Forum now.

Perhaps this is an example of what Roy_Miami is talking about.
 
Speaking of Tomlin, according to my analytics Tomlin was one of the coaches in danger of losing the locker room. I didn't bet against him because of Roethlisberger though. The same goes for Mike Smith, he was/is in danger but I couldn't bet against Matt Ryan and those weapons. Dennis Allen, Jason Garrett and Jeff Fisher rounded out the coaches in danger. I did put actual cash money taking the under on the Rams based on my analytics.

And I actually thought Tomlin's decision to go for it on 4th down against us last season was terrible. He was a good coach at one time but looks to have lost his way.
 
SkapePhin said:
Oh, how convenient!

Reminds me of the responses I usually get from evangelicals when I catch them on something they cannot back up with anything other than their own befuddled interpretation of scripture...
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Oh, this was a good direction to take.
 
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