If Dennis Hickey was a better trader we could have had...

[Phinatic8u]

Bryant at Clemson wasn't some great player. Nothing great about him at all. He was just a guy that benefited from Watkins.

Nothing he does screams we need the kid. He's fast, has suspect hands and can't beat press to save his life. Pretty average

 

[Roman529]

It's always nice to sit back in your easy chair and criticize the GM for not being a better trader, but you have to realize that Hickey had 10 minutes or less to try and find a trading partner, and also find a deal that was doable. Sometimes other GM's want too much in return. It is so easy to attack a guy when you have no idea what offers were made and/or rejected.

 

[enigmatics]

It is so easy to attack a guy when you have no idea what offers were made and/or rejected.

It's also easy to defend a guy under that same notion.

It works both ways.

 

[roy_miami]

I can almost guarantee that if he made the trade we'd have a thread about how he lost a ton of value in the trade (and all the other trades) and still reached on James while playmakers were flying off the board. I would bet dollars to donuts on that happening.

Well run teams that trade down a lot getting extra picks like the Patriots and 49ers always get proper value according to the trade value chart, why do you think that is?

 

[iwastherein1972]

My impression of this draft was that Hickey had several coveted players stolen right from under his nose on 2 or 3 occasions, picked just before we were on the clock. The Moses thing was the best example.

When you have the #1 guy at his position and on your own board and it is your biggest position of need on the whole squad sitting right there for you, and you're on the clock, it is NOT time to get cute. Don't talk to me about "value"... I WANT THE GUY.

ireland trades down, watches the Chiefs steal Jones, and drafts an acorn at 27-30.

Several draft "gurus" in here knew our needs and our board. I saw sigs with Round 1- JuWan Jones, 2- Jarvis Landry, 3- Billy Turner made BEFORE the draft. Guys knew what Hickey was gonna do and NAILED IT. He got who he was after. Sometimes it was Plan 1A, but it worked.

Now they just have to develop.

BTW OP, I fail to see the sterling virtues of Trai Turner and Martavis Bryant. These guys DROPPED to 125-150. And you didn't lose it if you never had it in the first place.

 

[OneYardShort]

We have no depth and if Albert goes down who will be the starter? We could always use any one of those guys at guard...

The real question is why use 2 draft picks on a receiver position that only needs 1 more guy? I'm sure you have no problem with that though because "competition is good", correct?

LMAO - we have 4 receivers on the roster now whom all have knee issues.. Considering our new OC runs 4/5 wide sets out there, it would be easy to see that we simply are not just one receiver away lol Gotta look at what we got currently and the direction we need to go and things should start becoming more clear for you.

 

[MARINO1384]

You tell us ..... what do Hickey and Philbin know? Are they considered "gurus" among their peers? Have they cemented their names in the upper echelon of coaching and personnel decisions?

It's like you want to bash people for their skepticism and mock them saying they don't know anything, yet somehow you do simply because of your blind trust in a pair of men who to this point don't have anything in their resume to warrant it.

You may not know too much about football but pretty much what goes on is teams hire people that are called "scouts". Now their job is to know what players fit our system and scheme. Now since its their job to know what players to go after and when to go after them. They spend much more time focusing on the players they want than your average draft "expert". Idk what yall are complaining about since most agree that it was a good draft. Now i get what people are saying that James was a semi reach and we could of traded back and still got him, sure maybe if we actually still got him. However if you were observant and paid less attention to shoulda woulda coulda youd take a look at the teams that were drafting ahead of us if we traded back with the saints. Picking at 24 were the bengals who had lost anthony collins and were very interested in James. Its very likely possibility they would of toom him as it was a pretty deep db draft with not many sure fire day 1 starters at RT. sure he could of made it to us at 27 or maybe not. Would it of been nice for an extra 3rd? Yeah of course? Was it worth taking the chance and potentially losing their guy for a pick a few slots ahead of the fourth round? Dolphins thought it was too risky so not point crying about it. Better safe than sorry.

 

[jim1]

My impression of this draft was that Hickey had several coveted players stolen right from under his nose on 2 or 3 occasions, picked just before we were on the clock. The Moses thing was the best example.

When you have the #1 guy at his position and on your own board and it is your biggest position of need on the whole squad sitting right there for you, and you're on the clock, it is NOT time to get cute. Don't talk to me about "value"... I WANT THE GUY.

ireland trades down, watches the Chiefs steal Jones, and drafts an acorn at 27-30.

Several draft "gurus" in here knew our needs and our board. I saw sigs with Round 1- JuWan Jones, 2- Jarvis Landry, 3- Billy Turner made BEFORE the draft. Guys knew what Hickey was gonna do and NAILED IT. He got who he was after. Sometimes it was Plan 1A, but it worked.

Now they just have to develop.

BTW OP, I fail to see the sterling virtues of Trai Turner and Martavis Bryant. These guys DROPPED to 125-150. And you didn't lose it if you never had it in the first place.

Trai Turner didn't drop to the third round, he rose to it after an excellent combine. Martavis Bryant is what he is, an uber athletic and great sized WR who had an ok career at Clemson and averaged almost 20 yds/catch his senior year. I had Bryant pegged to go in rds 2-3 before the draft, he slipped to the 4th and would have been a great pickup imo.

That being said, your last paragraph in particular makes about zero sense and I don't know of anyone who predicted that we would take Jones/Landry/Martin in the 1st 3 rounds.

 

[nick1]

We have no depth and if Albert goes down who will be the starter? We could always use any one of those guys at guard...

The real question is why use 2 draft picks on a receiver position that only needs 1 more guy? I'm sure you have no problem with that though because "competition is good", correct?

After the 4th round its a crapshoot. I would have preferred another tackle over hazel sure

 

[ITS!MATEO]

LMAO - we have 4 receivers on the roster now whom all have knee issues.. Considering our new OC runs 4/5 wide sets out there, it would be easy to see that we simply are not just one receiver away lol Gotta look at what we got currently and the direction we need to go and things should start becoming more clear for you.

5 receiver set? When?

I doubt we even keep 5 receivers active game time...

 

[psfign]

Trai Turner didn't drop to the third round, he rose to it after an excellent combine. Martavis Bryant is what he is, an uber athletic and great sized WR who had an ok career at Clemson and averaged almost 20 yds/catch his senior year. I had Bryant pegged to go in rds 2-3 before the draft, he slipped to the 4th and would have been a great pickup.

That being said, your last paragraph in particular makes about zero sense and I don't know of anyone who predicted that we would take Jones/Landry/Martin in the 1st 3 rounds.

That's your problem right there. You think you know where players should be valued.

 

[EvilDylan]

There goes enigmatics arguing with everyone again....geez never fails.

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[Mr. Day]

Were you on the phone during the trade discussions? How do you know what he tried to do. Some people are just negative for the sake of being negative.

 

[jim1]

That's your problem right there. You think you know where players should be valued.

Dude, this is a freaking online football website. It is chock full of, by its very nature, opinions. Of course I have opinions of where players should be valued, because I've spent a lot of time researching them and (gasp) I'm on a football website discussing my subjective opinions of players and those of other posters as well. I have my guesses as to where players should be valued, but that's a far cry from me thinking that I know where they should be valued. That's just your ignorance shining through that leads you to believe that. For example I saw James Gayle as a likely 3rd rd pick, maybe a 2nd rd pick. And he was drafted... nowhere. So did I know or think that I knew where Gayle would be drafted? Of course not.

Some days more than others I'm struck by the absolute stupidity and ignorance to be found online. This is one of them, and your post should be earmarked as a template for it. I'm on a Dolphins website discussing the draft, I share my opinions and therefore I think that I "know where players should be valued". Gee, what a special post that takes you right to the land of the galactically stupid, thanks for sharing.

 

[enigmatics]

You may not know too much about football but pretty much what goes on is teams hire people that are called "scouts". Now their job is to know what players fit our system and scheme. Now since its their job to know what players to go after and when to go after them. They spend much more time focusing on the players they want than your average draft "expert". Idk what yall are complaining about since most agree that it was a good draft.

Earth shattering news, teams have scouts. When did this start happening? We had scouts last year too right and all the years prior? Were all those drafts complete successes simply because we had scouts and they picked players for our system?

Course not. If the scouts do such a great job, then why is the draft success rate so low across the board?

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