IF the Dolphins lose to the Jets on Sunday...

[Shouright]

Which proves my other point I have stated on here multiple times....A QBR and a ticket will get you in the movies. I think anyone with any common sense in this occasion can answer the first.

So the acid test for common sense is a belief regarding whether the Dolphins would've been successful without the wildcat in 2008? :unsure:

As for QB rating, I'd suggest you consider this:

(On how much did your vision involve around a quarterback) "We're going to build a football team, number one. I think obviously the play and performance of a quarterback in the National Football League is obviously very important. One of the things I believe in strongly when you analyze your football team is that you have to look at the quarterback rating differential. So how your guy is performing as opposed to the opposition. So it's certainly a key component in winning football games.

http://www.thephinsider.com/2012/1/22/2725109/miami-dolphins-coach-joe-philbin-introduction

 

[Daytona Fin]

If the Dolphins lose to the Jets on Sunday

Not happening.

 

[johngarryvo]

hey OP, the bills had several starters off the field that Sunday, with a scrub qb who's only won 1 other game (against some team); and still got the "W".. and the "0".

how's that make then inferior?

 

[67Stang]

So the acid test for common sense is a belief regarding whether the Dolphins would've been successful without the wildcat in 2008? :unsure:

As for QB rating, I'd suggest you consider this:

http://www.thephinsider.com/2012/1/22/2725109/miami-dolphins-coach-joe-philbin-introduction

Let me spell this out for you. Pennington sucked in 2008 before the Wildcat and sucked once it was no longer effective. His QBR and completion percentage led to a QB that was only a few games over .500 for his career. When you are dinking and dunking, your % is going to be high and he was the king of dink and dunk.....with a lot of big plays made in 2008 because of yards after catch. He never could win a big game against the better teams in the NFL. Great guy, class act, good leader....average at best QB and the poster child for why QBR is so limited because it doesn't take a lot into consideration.

 

[Shouright]

Let me spell this out for you. Pennington sucked in 2008 before the Wildcat and sucked once it was no longer effective. His QBR and completion percentage led to a QB that was only a few games over .500 for his career. When you are dinking and dunking, your % is going to be high and he was the king of dink and dunk.....with a lot of big plays made in 2008 because of yards after catch. He never could win a big game against the better teams in the NFL. Great guy, class act, good leader....average at best QB and the poster child for why QBR is so limited because it doesn't take a lot into consideration.

The things you said about his physical performance would make some sense if he wasn't a 7+ career YPA QB. That dinking and dunking as you call it wasn't a problem with regard to the most important measure of QB play in terms of winning.

As for the records of the teams he played on, as Joe Philbin said in the quote above, what's important in terms of winning is the differential in QB statistics, which if course is attributable in large part to a team's defense, over which Chad Pennington had little if any control.

 

[finfan54]

it only matters what steve ross thinks. and if you think he's firing joe after two years with his young qb on the verge of greatness, then I don't know what to tell you.

this team is not a complete team yet, but I don't think he wants to start over hence splitting up the entire team. why would any of you? so you can take a chance on finding another qb?

just not seeing it. the only thing I see is Ireland taking the hit for not making playoffs, but the new gm will have to marry philbin.

my opinion goes completely against finheaven grain. I see this offense taking off next year.

 

[JTC111]

I see this offense taking off next year.

Now where have I heard that before?

Hmmm....

Oh, I remember! Last year... and the year before... and the year before that... and the year before that... and EVERY year before that.
Hell, I'm surprised some of you aren't already applauding Ireland for the picks he made in the 2014 draft. Yeah, I know he hasn't made them yet, but does it really matter? You're all gonna tell us they were great picks no matter who he selects.

 

[67Stang]

The things you said about his physical performance would make some sense if he wasn't a 7+ career YPA QB. That dinking and dunking as you call it wasn't a problem with regard to the most important measure of QB play in terms of winning.

As for the records of the teams he played on, as Joe Philbin said in the quote above, what's important in terms of winning is the differential in QB statistics, which if course is attributable in large part to a team's defense, over which Chad Pennington had little if any control.

LMAO, the guy threw for 20 TDs once in 12 years, couldn't stay healthy, and like previously mentioned in just over .500 as a starter. Wow, that QBR and completion % is impressive!

 

[888]

LMAO, the guy threw for 20 TDs once in 12 years, couldn't stay healthy, and like previously mentioned in just over .500 as a starter. Wow, that QBR and completion % is impressive!

Look at the crappy organizations he played for. Can't really blame him for that

 

[Shouright]

LMAO, the guy threw for 20 TDs once in 12 years, couldn't stay healthy, and like previously mentioned in just over .500 as a starter. Wow, that QBR and completion % is impressive!

Regardless, the ways in which he was successful in 2008 were replicated earlier in his career, with no wildcat.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

As a gambler I'm more than willing to risk a 3-13 caliber replacement for Ireland, when it also includes a swing at a 13-3 type, instead of knowing I'm signing up for more years with a proven 7-9 clod

Yep. And you shouldn't need to be a gambler to want to risk that one.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

hey OP, the bills had several starters off the field that Sunday, with a scrub qb who's only won 1 other game (against some team); and still got the "W".. and the "0".

how's that make then inferior?

San Diego beat Denver this season.

Anyone think San Diego isn't an inferior team to Denver?

 

[spiketex]

If the Dolphins lose to the Jets on Sunday, that will mean they dropped 2 crucial games against inferior opponents that kept us from the playoffs. After the Patriots victory, the Dolphins could get into the playoffs by winning the final 2 games.

If this nightmare scenario occurs, which option in the poll would you prefer and why? Who is most responsible for this failure?

Scapephin and Hayden, yes it's a possibility that we lose and the world comes tumbling down, but before we get too defeatist and rush to grab the razor blades to slit our wrists, I think that we have an excellent chance to win and make the playoffs. Before naturally gravitating to a terrible result, please join us in embracing the opportunity to win.
Yes, last week was terrible. Clearly the worst game of the season, but everybody seems to dismiss the dreadful playing conditions. 33 degrees in cold windy conditions against a team with strength in its D-line. It was always a very difficult game for us. Hartline was awful. He dropped many balls that he would normally grab. I don't think that he and many of the other players just became hopeless. I think that the difficult conditions contributed significantly.
The most important thing that the players can have is a short memory and move onto the next game rather than dwell on the Buffalo game at the windy Ralph.
OK, I understand that some of you want to get rid of everyone all of the time, but those scenarios should only be examined after Sunday's game. We still have an excellent opportunity to win.

 

[finfan54]

Now where have I heard that before?

Hmmm....

Oh, I remember! Last year... and the year before... and the year before that... and the year before that... and EVERY year before that.
Hell, I'm surprised some of you aren't already applauding Ireland for the picks he made in the 2014 draft. Yeah, I know he hasn't made them yet, but does it really matter? You're all gonna tell us they were great picks no matter who he selects.

really? last year I bagged on legadu like everyone else. I was confident the one year henne would get it going with marshall, bush and a better system with daboll. but I also said last year to do it or moving on.

I will say I am much more confident in tanehill. aren't you? never mind.....its about Ireland.

 

[888]

San Diego beat Denver this season.

Anyone think San Diego isn't an inferior team to Denver?

The Bills waxed the Dolphins not just once, but twice this year... and dominated the dolphins physically. Beating Miami 3 of the last 4 meetings (also owned miami up there in Buffalo in prime time last year, and the final score wasn't indicative how the Bills dominated the dolphins in that one as well as it was 19-7 and Miami scoring a meaningless late TD when it was over already - The Bills dom inated the line of scrimmage and time of possession in that game as they did last week, in last year's game up in Buffalo Miami had 50 yards and two first downs in the first half, LOL

Also of note, the Bills had far FAR more injuries than miami this season, the first half of the season they had their entire secondary out with injury, including backups out thus having to play multiple 3rd string practice squad types (as one example of their injury situation).

What area on miami is better than the bills ??? Besides QB the Bills are clearly the better team. The Bills have a better o-line, better RB's, WR's are close & the Bills may edge out there , the bills have better linebackers (nobody on miami''s LB corps comes close to the instinctual great play of Kiko Alonso), the Bills have a better and more productive d-line (and this is an area miami fans cling to, but again, bills are better here too),... and With Dmitri Patterson out (and he is miami's best secondary player, played better than grimes this yr) and likely not returning next season, the secondary goes to the Bills as well (have some good players back there like Byrd, Gilmore, McKelvin etc who eat miami's lunch).

The dolphins are filled with moderate meh players. Stop overrating the talent on the dolphins. They are not talented as a whole at all. It's a blah boring team filled with stopgap non difference makers like koa misi's who will never take you anywhere (a reflection of the boring general manager)