Igbinoghene is a stud....
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For the Colts. My post specifically said "here". At the time he was traded he was viewed by the organization as not having developed consistency or maturity, the same organization that loved how consistently Sean Smith practiced well and was also close to the football he could never actually located when it was in the air.
Vontae had 2, 4 INT seasons and was pretty darn good. I remember him sealing an upset over NE w an endzone pick where he ripped the ball away from Moss. He had game and was an ascending player - making the pro bowl w the Colts. Smith was bad. He had some picks in preseason but he dropped them all in the regular one. I don’t think he ever had more than 2 in year for us.
This is true - Principal Philbin thought he was immature and didn’t want to deal w him.
Needham can play. He was one of the surprises in year 1 of the rebuild.
Vontae had his moments. The elite physical talent was there. I just don't think the organization ever felt he was consistent enough even though he had the interceptions.
But it's very worth noting that organization had a pretty stagnant defense for years under multiple staffs because it fixated on guys like Sean Smith, Chris Clemons, and Jimmy Wilson who couldn't get a turnover even if Mark Sanchez was delivering door to door. It had to sign Michael Thomas from another team's practice squad to get a pick to seal a comeback versus Brady, and then they taught him how to not ever get picks again too. When they drafted Will Davis and Jamar Taylor, and Davis came to camp a ballhawk and Taylor came to camp bad, they made Davis not a ballhawk and taught both of them were bad. Guys who made big plays on occasion but blew a coverage or two always got shunned for guys who were more consistently but needed virtual gifts to get a turnover and were thus as a unit entirely unable to generate turnovers.
Things seem to have changed under Flores, but there are still guys like Byron Jones who get signed to market-setting contracts despite not having a turnover in two seasons. Coaches can't help but love them some predictability.
Mine too, because they have plenty of defensive backs much better than him. So even if he doesn’t play a single down in the regular season, he won’t be missed.
I am a lot more worried about the OL than I am a CB who will likely only make the team because of where he was selected in the draft and not because
he has shown he can play at the NFL level yet.
Belichick has made many mistakes with high round draft picks, including first round draft picks. So if Belichick can make mistakes with high draft picks, I tend to think Flores can make similar mistakes judging the talent of high draft picks too.
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So you invest a 1st rd pick in the strongest position on your team? On a player that doesn't look the part at that. I guess Miami should draft a qb in the 1st round next year, you know because people get injured
Many forget that X missed half the year with a knee and had a domestic situation in the off-season that made many on this forum nervous. Who knew at the time that X would rub BJ’s contract in our faces with a pro bowl year. Igbo was seen as a CYA pick as insurance against an X implosion occurred.