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In your opinion...what motivated the Tua extension?

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Yup , I believe it is ridiculous that some want to give Grier even more time. How many years does a GM need to build a contending team? 7 years isn't enough I guess. Let's give him another decade.
 
Fear of not having a good QB. That's all it comes down to in the NFL.

Any QB that shows the possibility of being top half gets the full paycheck.
 
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How is it clear they are here until the end of 2026? A reset year for the same guy who has had 6 years, now going into year 7 of his rebuild?

Sorry, I am sticking by my opinion that this is a make or break year for all 3 of them. This is the roster Grier and McDaniel built and no doubt that Tue must show that he can play a full season while being available if the team does make the playoffs. Tua, McDaniel and Grier are joined at the hip. They will sink or swim together. If a new GM and Head Coach come in next year they will want to pick their own QB.

Do any of the roster moves seem like a coach and gm that feel they are on the hot seat? I think your kidding yourself if you think yes.

Not to mention Tua’s contract is guaranteed through 2026 meaning he’ll be here regardless barring a career ending injury. You probably aren’t bringing in another head coach or gm when you really can’t move off of Tua. All three will be here come 2026. It was Ross and Grier that wanted to bring in Brady, it was Ross and Grier that wanted to tank for Tua, it was Grier that Ross picked in the battle vs Flores’s. It is Grier that is still here after letdown. Seems the relationship is extremely connected, close and appears to still be along with another plan which is why we’ve seen lack of urgency. Not that I’m saying that’s necessarily the right move but it’s pretty evident that appears to be the case.
 
Seems pretty unreasonable given the current state of our secondary. Mahomes/lamar/allen aren’t expected to carry peewee defenses into the playoffs why would you expect Tua to do so? They all have top 5 defenses. Almost like this football game is a team effort sport.

I mean I hope the secondary and defense surprise me but seems a little crazy to evaluate a qb based on probably how a secondary plays when with the impending trade of Ramsey we can’t even name one sure starter in the unit as of now.

Not that any of that matters, pretty clear all three are here until end of 2026 no matter what and this was a reset year okayd by Ross with assurances they’d all be here in 2026.
Allen can’t win on the road in the playoffs (0-4) and Lamar has been absolutely horrific in the postseason up until his 5th season.

And Tua haters love to bash him due to his play in his first playoff game in KC in -20F weather and couch scrubs for a defense. The same KC team that went on to beat the Bills (in Buffalo) and the Ravens (in Baltimore) before beating the 49ers in the SB.

Allen had an 84 PR (10th playoff game in his career) against that KC team in 50 degree warmer weather in Buffalo.

Jackson had a 74 PR (5th playoff game) in 70 degree warmer weather in Baltimore.

Purdy had an 89 PR (6th postseason game)

All three teams were relatively healthy.
 
Do any of the roster moves seem like a coach and gm that feel they are on the hot seat? I think your kidding yourself if you think yes.

Not to mention Tua’s contract is guaranteed through 2026 meaning he’ll be here regardless barring a career ending injury. You probably aren’t bringing in another head coach or gm when you really can’t move off of Tua. All three will be here come 2026. It was Ross and Grier that wanted to bring in Brady, it was Ross and Grier that wanted to tank for Tua, it was Grier that Ross picked in the battle vs Flores’s. It is Grier that is still here after letdown. Seems the relationship is extremely connected, close and appears to still be along with another plan which is why we’ve seen lack of urgency. Not that I’m saying that’s necessarily the right move but it’s pretty evident that appears to be the case.
They can certainly move on from Tua in 2026 if the new GM wants to do so. They can free up more than enough cap space after cutting Tua to field a team that can get them a top 5 pick in 2027. Heck if they can find a team that will take on Tua's contract then they would gain cap space by trading him. If the goal is to do a true reset in 2026, not this nonsense you are talking about this year, this would put them in position to draft a top QB prospect. At least that would show the team is trying to change paths. It would also get much of the fanbase excited about the future of the team. Some people are tired of the mediocrity and what appears to be the current goal of hoping the team can sneak into the playoffs. If after 7 years of a "rebuild" the team still can't even win a playoff game then IMO that "rebuild" has been a failure.

Ross keeping them all into 2026, if they fail again in 2025 would just prove to the fans as well as the rest of the NFL that Ross is not serious about building a team that can contend for a Super Bowl. It would also prove that Ross does not hold his employees accountable. It would basically prove to everyone who works for the team, including the players, that failure and losing is acceptable.
 
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Allen can’t win on the road in the playoffs (0-4) and Lamar has been absolutely horrific in the postseason up until his 5th season.

And Tua haters love to bash him due to his play in his first playoff game in KC in -20F weather and couch scrubs for a defense. The same KC team that went on to beat the Bills (in Buffalo) and the Ravens (in Baltimore) before beating the 49ers in the SB.

Allen had an 84 PR (10th playoff game in his career) against that KC team in 50 degree warmer weather in Buffalo.

Jackson had a 74 PR (5th playoff game) in 70 degree warmer weather in Baltimore.

Purdy had an 89 PR (6th postseason game)

All three teams were relatively healthy.
Lol... wow... very very stupid post
 
Allen can’t win on the road in the playoffs (0-4) and Lamar has been absolutely horrific in the postseason up until his 5th season.

And Tua haters love to bash him due to his play in his first playoff game in KC in -20F weather and couch scrubs for a defense. The same KC team that went on to beat the Bills (in Buffalo) and the Ravens (in Baltimore) before beating the 49ers in the SB.

Allen had an 84 PR (10th playoff game in his career) against that KC team in 50 degree warmer weather in Buffalo.

Jackson had a 74 PR (5th playoff game) in 70 degree warmer weather in Baltimore.

Purdy had an 89 PR (6th postseason game)

All three teams were relatively healthy.
Allen and Jackson have been to conference championships. Purdy has been to a Super Bowl. Sure they may have had better surrounding casts or healthier teams than Tua. So not going to blame all of the failures of the team on Tua.

However, I am not going to focus on Allen & Jackson failing to make it to a Super Bowl when the Dolphins can't even win a playoff game. I can't bash Allen for anything , as much as I would love to, since he's owned the Dolphins every year he's been in the league. Until the Dolphins start beating the Bills on a consistent basis, I am not going to sit here talking ish about them.

I will say it does sucks that every year come playoff time the only thing I usually have to root for is for someone to knock the Bills out. That has become tiresome as it did doing so with the Patriots for over 2 decades. I would love to be able to see the Dolphins fighting their way towards the Super Bowl while Bills, Patriots & Jets fans get pissed.
 
Your post doesn't really speak to anything I posted.

Your posts all seem to want to be humorous.

I don't mind the wisecracks, it's who you are.

If you disagree with my thought process, bring in yours, and we can debate or concede.

My post shows a timeline of events toward an answer to the OP.
Your post cherry-picks mine and offers insults and ridicule towards another fan.

You can do better. :cheers:
I stand by my post.
 
Call like I see it bud, act like you have none gonna get called out on it. If you can’t see he had leverage then you’re simply not a bright person.

In the event you didn’t see my other post I’ll repost.

To say he had 0 leverage is objectively wrong. You either fail to understand what leverage is or don’t have a clue.

QB is the most important position and Tua may be the most important qb to his team in the league. Miami is a 2-3 win team without him- leverage

Tua was coming off a fantastic year, lead the league in passing yards as well as Miami’s best season in 15 years- leverage

NFL precedent of every other team paying their qb- leverage

The Miami dolphins are a business, that is their primary function. Going into a season without the player that is most important to your team is just a bad business decision. Leads to lower attendance which means less stadium sales and earnings. Even though Miami isn’t where they’d to be, a fringe playoff team is worth more than a 2-3 win team- leverage

If you want to take that information and have the opinion that sitting out and not collecting 24 million gives Miami more leverage than by all means to do but saying he had 0 leverage is completely wrong. That’s not an opinion, that’s just reality. He had leverage.

As for your question you think I’m avoiding, it works both ways. Show me a qb that has played on their 5th year without receiving a contract. I’ll save you time, there is none. They all got paid by their teams.
Show me a single player who has sat out the 5th year - I don’t need to narrow it down like you to QB. Show me a single player who sat.

I’ll refrain from addressing your personal attacks. I really don’t need to prove anything about business acumen to some random internet person. And I certainly won’t engage.
 
Show me a single player who has sat out the 5th year - I don’t need to narrow it down like you to QB. Show me a single player who sat.

I’ll refrain from addressing your personal attacks. I really don’t need to prove anything about business acumen to some random internet person. And I certainly won’t engage.
I didn’t even know you two were dating. 🤣 But you do argue like a long-term couple. 🤣🤣
 
Ehh the difference between what brock
Purdy got and what Tua got in terms of guaranteed money wasn’t much if you account for the extra year.

Force Tua to play on the 5th year the leverage thing is trash. He’d have played on it. Now would he have resigned in Miami after? Maybe not especially if he stayed healthy but this whole the rest of the league couldn’t wait to get Tua if Miami bailed is bs.

He’s very system specific. Just like Purdy. Difference is Purdy has had a better roster around him I wouldn’t dispute that at all but like Tua he doesn’t fit everyone. And he does have the postseason success Tua doesn’t. Admittedly for largely entirely different reasons.

Ehh the difference between what brock
Purdy got and what Tua got in terms of guaranteed money wasn’t much if you account for the extra year.

Force Tua to play on the 5th year the leverage thing is trash. He’d have played on it. Now would he have resigned in Miami after? Maybe not especially if he stayed healthy but this whole the rest of the league couldn’t wait to get Tua if Miami bailed is bs.

He’s very system specific. Just like Purdy. Difference is Purdy has had a better roster around him I wouldn’t dispute that at all but like Tua he doesn’t fit everyone. And he does have the postseason success Tua doesn’t. Admittedly for largely entirely different reasons.
I think Tua is a top 5 qb in the league. I don’t think the system matters much at all. I know the concussions are a huge deal. He showed elite traits even under Flores. I know many of you will disagree but that is my stance.
 
I think Tua is a top 5 qb in the league. I don’t think the system matters much at all. I know the concussions are a huge deal. He showed elite traits even under Flores. I know many of you will disagree but that is my stance.
My stance isn’t on the player and more on the topic of the thread…

Why did we give him the extension a year earlier than we needed to? Did we get a discount because of it? No

Did he show us 4 years of good data to confirm this was a no brainer? No

Im a fan of the player… but the concussions and availability IS a factor.

The irony of @MARINO1384 talking nonsense about business acumen not understanding that the move made was the wrong business move. You dont extend someone a year early if you’re not getting some big win in the situation. What was the win? We got an early out?

If we made him play on his 5th year *and he crushed it* he would have signed the same size contract.

And if didn’t crush it? Like how it actually was? We could have resigned him for half the money and it would be a value deal and we would have money for OL, CB, etc.
 
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