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Incognito to Have Sit Down with Glazer, Fox Sports.

Vaark said:
At this point, for whatever it's worth, the first actual voice of the two that we're hearing is Incognito's not Martin's. And IMO RI has got his legal and PR teams lined up, is being coached and had Glazer either agree to a line of questioning in advance or furnish the team with those questions. No way he's going in unarmed.. and if this is true and he still puts his foot in his mouth then he deserves what he's wrought.
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That's true, but I don't think Martin really feels he has to do an interview right now because -- outside of this message board and the Dolphins locker room -- most of the public seems to be behind him. Getting in front of a camera can't do much good that his carefully leaked evidence can't do well enough on it's own.

In a way this interview of Incognito's is a recognition that a) he's getting his ass kicked on the public stage, and/or b) he doesn't have anything that can rebut Martin's charges that doesn't implicate himself or implicate the team. I mean, I fully believe that Incognito has all kinds of incriminating **** to say about the Dolphins and Martin if he wants to. His father indicated as much. But he doesn't really seem inclined to go there. That undercuts his biggest source of leverage and his best way of fighting back, and has sort of forced him into this kind of move.
 
definitely forced by his PR peeps - you think he actually wants to speak to people now.

And as someone earlier mentioned here, also a good platform to showcase to other potential teams - the guy still needs to eat & pay off that mortgage.
 
Vaark said:
Agreed!

However I believe he's got a good chance to change some minds given that his audience are football fans by and large coupled with the reality that among said fans, the antipathy for Martin being perceived as soft, a quitter, not sticking up for himself given his physical stature and the scorched earth policy he's leaving behind outweighs the perception of Richie and shift the opinion scales.
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Perhaps. That's why these things are good to talk about. I can't imagine Incognito persuading anyone who isn't already pretty much in the bag for him but it's also possible he might be able to. But I think he has to be careful. Bashing Martin isn't going to help him -- in fact it would almost certainly backfire terribly -- and Glazer is absolutely going to set him up to do it, as he should. Incognito's best defense is to basically repeat what the locker room has already said about him. But then... why not just let those comments marinate some more? Those statements put some of the focus back on Martin, and whether he laughed at the voicemail or was truly offended and all of that. Now Incognito is bringing more of the story back on himself -- the golf club incident didn't help this either -- rather than letting the "silent" Martin be the focus.
 
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TheWalrus said:
That's true, but I don't think Martin really feels he has to do an interview right now because -- outside of this message board and the Dolphins locker room -- most of the public seems to be behind him. Getting in front of a camera can't do much good that his carefully leaked evidence can't do well enough on it's own.

In a way this interview of Incognito's is a recognition that a) he's getting his ass kicked on the public stage, and/or b) he doesn't have anything that can rebut Martin's charges that doesn't implicate himself or implicate the team. I mean, I fully believe that Incognito has all kinds of incriminating **** to say about the Dolphins and Martin if he wants to. His father indicated as much. But he doesn't really seem inclined to go there. That undercuts his biggest source of leverage and his best way of fighting back, and has sort of forced him into this kind of move.
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You're obviously right since RI has been the media's pinata. However if he pulls this off, whether he's disingenuous or not, the public has to begin to wonder why RI has agreed to be interviewed while Martin has had a high priced and profile lawyer doing his bidding. IMO it dovetails in with the image of Martin as a coward for not sticking up for himself. IMO in that regard he's cut a lot less slack, right or wrong in consideration that he's a mountain of a man. Beyond that, we both know that whatever instructions the judge charges a criminal jury with, if the defendent doesn't testify and open himself up to cross-examination, no matter those instructions, the natural inclination is that he cannot withstand the scrutiny. I think that unless Martin himself shows the courage to answer the kinds of questions presumably Incog will be fielding, there will be a residual shifting of opinion based on that alone.

 
The world is behind times with the use of the word that many can't say, but will call a woman the "B" word.

The word is vogue and popular, some perceive the Redskins name as being offensive, and I don't. Our world is going mad.

Here's a popular song to prove my point, media and the NFL wake up to the current times....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSrTnWDTdwI
 
Vaark said:
You're obviously right since RI has been the media's pinata. However if he pulls this off, whether he's disingenuous or not, the public has to begin to wonder why RI has agreed to be interviewed while Martin has had a high priced and profile lawyer doing his bidding. IMO it dovetails in with the image of Martin as a coward for not sticking up for himself. IMO in that regard he's cut a lot less slack, right or wrong in consideration that he's a mountain of a man. Beyond that, we both know that whatever instructions the judge charges a criminal jury with, if the defendent doesn't testify and open himself up to cross-examination, no matter those instructions, the natural inclination is that he cannot withstand the scrutiny. I think that unless Martin himself shows the courage to answer the kinds of questions presumably Incog will be fielding, there will be a residual shifting of opinion based on that alone.
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Maybe. But I don't necessarily think the public views both sides of a dispute equally as a matter of course. It seems like the public takes an instinctive stand to believe one party or the other and if you're on the losing side of that then you have to go out there and try to change people's minds. If you're winning then why bother? McGovern bashed Nixon up and down or not agreeing to a debate in '72, but Nixon steadfastly refused. What did he have to gain?

That being said I do think Incognito will make a huge point of the fact that he's answering questions and Martin's not, for the reasons you mention. If he doesn't fumble the interview itself that could be a big theme and do some damage.

Martin's scheduled to meet with Ted Wells next week, right? On Friday, I think. Should be interesting to see if Martin decides to do one of these interviews before then or after, and with whom. I'm betting it won't be a football guy like Glazer, if it happens. Oprah would be his first pick and his next someone from the Dateline/60 minutes ilk, I'd imagine. If not I'm thinking Bob Costas.
 
TheWalrus said:
Perhaps. That's why these things are good to talk about. I can't imagine Incognito persuading anyone who isn't already pretty much in the bag for him but it's also possible he might be able to. But I think he has to be careful. Bashing Martin isn't going to help him -- in fact it would almost certainly backfire terribly -- and Glazer is absolutely going to set him up to do it, as he should. Incognito's best defense is to basically repeat what the locker room has already said about him. But then... why not just let those comments marinate some more? Those statements put some of the focus back on Martin, and whether he laughed at the voicemail or was truly offended and all of that. Not Incognito is bringing more of the story back on himself -- the golf club incident didn't help this either -- rather than letting the "silent" Martin be the focus.
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I think he might have left well enough alone - at least for awhile until Cromwell reared his ugly head in a take no prisoners attack on Richie and the Fins. At that point RI and his handlers might have decided that enough's enough, time to go on the offensive before the next inevitable thrust. You know that Richie has been solicited by a legion of lawyers providing their successful malicious libel suit curriculum vitaes. And if they or Martin cannot corroborate Martin's version of events that ESPN went rabid over, especially if Richie cannot get rehired, I'd love to see him whip their asses. Just like Carol Burnett was the first to successfully sue The Enquirer, maybe the floodgates will open and compel more measured and responsible reporting if for nothing more than for self-preservation.
 
Vaark said:
I think he might have left well enough alone - at least for awhile until Cromwell reared his ugly head in a take no prisoners attack on Richie and the Fins. At that point RI and his handlers might have decided that enough's enough, time to go on the offensive before the next inevitable thrust. You know that Richie has been solicited by a legion of lawyers providing their successful malicious libel suit curriculum vitaes. And if they or Martin cannot corroborate Martin's version of events that ESPN went rabid over, especially if Richie cannot get rehired, I'd love to see him whip their asses. Just like Carol Burnett was the first to successfully sue The Enquirer, maybe the floodgates will open and compel more measured and responsible reporting if for nothing more than for self-preservation.
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Doubt it. I've seen nothing about this story that's been shown to be maliciously wrong. Sure they might be getting a detail wrong here or there but it's reporting... you're constrained by the facts that are available and by the sources you're using to verify those facts. These guys are professionals -- well, most of them -- and they're serious about getting second sources even on their "anonymous" stuff. Trust me, a lot of the juiciest info is being left on the cutting room floor for lack of corroborating information.
 
This is what kills me about this site, I raise a completely relevant fact and it gets totally ignored, this song has over 20 million hits to prove my point, but I don't hear the media and the news talking about this song, it's selective coverage.

I sincerely believe that Richie Incognito did not mean his statements negatively in his VM, he was saying it in brotherhood and in the trenches...., and if my VM's or text were made public, well, I may really have to resign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSrTnWDTdwI
 
dolphans1 said:
This is what kills me about this site, I raise a completely relevant fact and it gets totally ignored, this song has over 20 million hits to prove my point, but I don't hear the media and the news talking about this song, it's selective coverage.

I sincerely believe that Richie Incognito did not mean his statements negatively in his VM, he was saying it in brotherhood and in the trenches...., and if my VM's or text were made public, well, I may really have to resign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSrTnWDTdwI
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Aww...

Nobody responded to your post? Pobrecito.

(I still haven't watched it).
 
dolphans1 said:
This is what kills me about this site, I raise a completely relevant fact and it gets totally ignored, this song has over 20 million hits to prove my point, but I don't hear the media and the news talking about this song, it's selective coverage.

I sincerely believe that Richie Incognito did not mean his statements negatively in his VM, he was saying it in brotherhood and in the trenches...., and if my VM's or text were made public, well, I may really have to resign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSrTnWDTdwI
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We've battled each other for a couple weeks now..(All of us).

Chalk it up to fatiuge.
 
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