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Interesting Tannehill Stat Comparison

shouright said:
Again, I'll stick with the correlation between YPA and the consensus perceptions of quarterbacks' individual ability. YAC isn't fully attributable to the receiver.
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Its also attributable to the scheme of the offense. Our type of offense is mainly quick slants (to hartline who isnt a YAC type of reciever) and quick comebacks. We dont draw up a ton of plays that have YAC potential, nor do we have the recievers to put up YAC in this system. Wallace has the YAC ability if we used him a bit differently... But most of his receptions come off comebacks.

Yes the QB placing the ball in the right spot and to the right reciever on that play also has an effect in his YPA and the YAC... But i think it has more to do with what FFIB is saying.

Just my 2c
 
shouright said:
Again, I'll stick with the correlation between YPA and the consensus perceptions of quarterbacks' individual ability. YAC isn't fully attributable to the receiver.
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:crazy:

And YPA isn't fully attributable to the QB. In fact:

"Burke’s studies of the NFL seems to indicate that Air Yards is very consistent by quarterback (i.e., better quarterbacks tend to, on the whole, get more of their yards from the ball in the air versus yards after catch) while YAC is very consistent by receiver — some gets lots of YAC and some don’t."

Don't let that change your mind though..... :hsmash:
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
:crazy:

And YPA isn't fully attributable to the QB. In fact:

"Burke’s studies of the NFL seems to indicate that Air Yards is very consistent by quarterback (i.e., better quarterbacks tend to, on the whole, get more of their yards from the ball in the air versus yards after catch) while YAC is very consistent by receiver — some gets lots of YAC and some don’t."

Don't let that change your mind though.....
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I won't, because again, YAC explains only 26% of the variance in YPA. Nobody is arguing that receivers are inconsistent.
 
shouright said:
I won't, because again, YAC explains only 26% of the variance in YPA. Nobody is arguing that receivers are inconsistent.
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And that's it in a nutshell. You predetermined your OPINION that Tannehill is average and nothing will change that opinion. Ignore or downplay the facts that contradict and spew those that support. Ignore the film, because of "bias" (how ironic). Ignore what is actually happening on the field (e.g. LT is changed and Tannehill improves).

You have been exposed. My work is done here.

By the way, IF 26% of the variance is explained by YAC and some of the variance is based on the system, and some is based on drops, and some is based on sacks, and some is based on game condition. How much EXACTLY is left to be based on the QB alone?
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
And that's it in a nutshell. You predetermined your OPINION that Tannehill is average and nothing will change that opinion. Ignore or downplay the facts that contradict and spew those that support. Ignore the film, because of "bias" (how ironic). Ignore what is actually happening on the field (e.g. LT is changed and Tannehill improves).

You have been exposed. My work is done here.

By the way, IF 26% of the variance is explained by YAC and some of the variance is based on the system, and some is based on drops, and some is based on sacks, and some is based on game condition. How much EXACTLY is left to be based on the QB alone?
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and don't forget the top ten and the bottom ten in YPA are only separated by about 15%
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
And that's it in a nutshell. You predetermined your OPINION that Tannehill is average and nothing will change that opinion. Ignore or downplay the facts that contradict and spew those that support. Ignore the film, because of "bias" (how ironic). Ignore what is actually happening on the field (e.g. LT is changed and Tannehill improves).

You have been exposed. My work is done here.

By the way, IF 26% of the variance is explained by YAC and some of the variance is based on the system, and some is based on drops, and some is based on sacks, and some is based on game condition. How much EXACTLY is left to be based on the QB alone?
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Good question, but when we have such a strong correlation between YPA and the consensus perceptions of quarterbacks' individual ability, and we have no multiple regression analysis consisting of those other variables with which to controvert the idea that individual ability drives the bus, we should sure stick with individual ability in my opinion.

In the end it comes down to probability. If you're putting your money on whether Ryan Tannehill is going to be a successful enough quarterback that he can make the team highly competitive based on his play alone, you're going to make the safest bet by waiting until his YPA improves sufficiently before you put your money on the table.

Now, you may be a risker fellow than I, and you may be ready to put your money down right now, and that's okay. But I'm not. :)
 
shouright said:
Good question, but when we have such a strong correlation between YPA and the consensus perceptions of quarterbacks' individual ability, and we have no multiple regression analysis consisting of those other variables with which to controvert the idea that individual ability drives the bus, we should sure stick with individual ability in my opinion.

In the end it comes down to probability. If you're putting your money on whether Ryan Tannehill is going to be a successful enough quarterback that he can make the team highly competitive based on his play alone, you're going to make the safest bet by waiting until his YPA improves sufficiently before you put your money on the table.

Now, you may be a risker fellow than I, and you may be ready to put your money down right now, and that's okay. But I'm not. :)
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So the thick of it is that you're not sold on Tannehill.

Wow, so many threads and pages of stats just to explain that you aren't sold, and trying to convince everyone else on finheaven why they shouldn't be either. Sounds like an agenda if you ask me.

Now can you let the rest of the fans get back to having faith in their young and improving QB now?
 
russianbear said:
So the thick of it is that you're not sold on Tannehill.

Wow, so many threads and pages of stats just to explain that you aren't sold, and trying to convince everyone else on finheaven why they shouldn't be either. Sounds like an agenda if you ask me.

Now can you let the rest of the fans get back to having faith in their young and improving QB now?
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I don't care who is convinced and who isn't. I've merely explained my own thinking. :up:
 
shouright said:
Good question, but when we have such a strong correlation between YPA and the consensus perceptions of quarterbacks' individual ability, and we have no multiple regression analysis consisting of those other variables with which to controvert the idea that individual ability drives the bus, we should sure stick with individual ability in my opinion.

In the end it comes down to probability. If you're putting your money on whether Ryan Tannehill is going to be a successful enough quarterback that he can make the team highly competitive based on his play alone, you're going to make the safest bet by waiting until his YPA improves sufficiently before you put your money on the table.

Now, you may be a risker fellow than I, and you may be ready to put your money down right now, and that's okay. But I'm not. :)
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so, you're going to wait until you have documented proof that he is good enough before you declare him good enough? You big risk-taker...
 
shouright said:
Good question, but when we have such a strong correlation between YPA and the consensus perceptions of quarterbacks' individual ability
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You keep saying this and passing it off as fact. You have never demonstrated it. What EXACTLY is the correlation coefficient of YPA and consensus perceptions? Where did you get this consensus from?
 
The Goat said:
...and tried to pass your opinion off as fact.
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I apologize if that was the impression I conveyed. These are only my opinions. :)

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FinfanInBuffalo said:
You keep saying this and passing it off as fact. You have never demonstrated it. What EXACTLY is the correlation coefficient of YPA and consensus perceptions? Where did you get this consensus from?
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Again, just my opinion.
 
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