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Is Saban the right choice?

BlitPhinFan said:
I realize that. And I look forward to hopefully making them look like fools. I know darn well this is the NFL and anything can happen. So I will never toss out a guarentee. But if you take a step back and look at the talent on the team, not too much has changed.

The thing that has changed though is the predictabily of this team. Good luck scheming for a defens that lines up in 4-3 man to man coverage this year. The dolfins used that base defense almost religiously the last 5 years, it wasn't until Wannstedt(retired/got canned) that you saw a 4-3 man-over scheme.

This year the defense will shift from man-over to 3-4 to bear with the same personel on the field. It is not going to be easy to predict where the pressure is coming from. To me that makes Jason Taylor even more dangerous.

On to the offense. If Hudson is already sold on 4 of the 5 offesive line, then I think we are in for a treat this year. Heck 3 of the 4 confirmed starters are talents from last year, so he must see something there.

It's getting late and I will stop there so I don't go into a rambling session, more so than I have already at least. :tongue:
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Exactly.

...and about the offensive line, the personnel has changed from last year more than people think. Remember, Rex Hadnott only started 4 or 5 games toward the end of the year last season. Dude is going to be a beast this year.
 
unifiedtheory said:
Charlie Weis is overrated. His schemes have always been questionable. He gets too pass happy. He looks like a genius because he has the best player in the game running his offense.

Funny, people want to hire Weis...who I believe has zero head coaching experience. But the same people say that Saban was the wrong choice because of lack of experience? Contradictions 'R us.
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I never said Saban had lack of experience. but i have said and will continue to say that being a good college head coach does not mean he will be a good head coach in the NFL. as far as weis having zero head coaching experience does not matter. there have been coaches in the past have had success going from a OC or DC straight into head coach.

plus everybody praises Saban for getting the most out of his players. that is exactly what Weis does. he took a sixth round QB and changed his offense around to suit his abilities. Brady is NOT the best player in the game. he was lucky to have an OC like weis.
 
Looking at this guy's other posts, nothing but a troll.
 
saban

Are you really serious???????????I know everyone has the right to make posts but come on. This is rediculous. Stop it. :shakeno: :shakeno: :shakeno:
 
My opinion is that you are disgruntled because your boy Bates didn't get the job.
Other than that you have a point about him failing, it is possible, even the great Walsh, Shula, Landry, Nole, Parcells, Gibbs, and even..... :eek: Belicheck have had losing seasons. Just shows you anyone can have a bad year or two and your concerns are valid to a point, but saying that he is another Spurrier is over the edge.

Like another poster pointed out there are huge differences between Spurrier and Saban.

In another post you pointed out that it had been ten years since he last coached in the NFL and it's a totally different game now is way off base as well, they still have to run, catch and tackle (as ponted out by many coaches) and his defensive schemes that he used 10 years ago are still used today, he also has kept in close contact with his buddy Bill in New England.

I have no doubt in my mind that he will make coaching mistakes this year, hell Gibbs had a rough season last year in his return, so did Vermiel in his first year. Yes Saban is a rookie head coach in the NFL, but he has intangibles that made him a desirable coaching candidate over the past few years, and not just from Wayne H. and so far he's made some excellent moves.

Maybe he won't succeed in the NFL but if any thing comes out of his time in Miami it is that the franchise is headed in a new fresh direction and that it has burned its bridges from the JJ/Wanny era into a more competent organization. Unlike Bates who would still have the JJ/Wanny influance and possibly hangover from that administration and we'd still be connected (bridged) to the past.

As of now we are in the honeymoon stage, he's seems to be making the right moves and pointing us in the right direction, lets see how the next few years pan out before making any harsh criticisms of his abilities.
 
Saban4prez said:
He treated the college game as if it were the NFL. thats the reason for his success. Hes going to treat the NFL as even bigger then itself.
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excelent response:up:
 
niceguy99 said:
Hey Dolphins fans,
I just signed up for this site and ever since his hiring, I've been concerned with the hiring of Nick Saban and the decisions he has made. The guy hasn't coached in the NFL in who knows how long, and now we are giving him full responsibility? His last year in the NFL wasn't great, those Browns teams that he was the DC of weren't great, and overall, I feel he is overrated. He only had one great season at LSU and now BOOM, he is our coach. I'm not really impressed with the guy at all. I have a feeling that he might just be the next Spurrier, I just think he has been out of the game too long. Plus, I don't think he knows enough about offense and our biggest concern is offense. Our defense was fine before.

I'm just worried, I don't think Saban is the great thing that we are all expecting. I don't think he will finish his contract.
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I think quite possibly this is the most uninformed, innaccurate post I've ever read.

If your going to bother being worried about something at least get educated on the subject.
 
Saban4prez said:
well hey, he does have a point. As of 'right now' he very well could be the next spurrier. I really doubt it, but its possible.
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No, their are stark differences between Saban and Spurrier and there is no point being made suggesting he is a Spurrier, it is simply ignorance and completely unfair to Saban.

Should every College Head Coach who makes the jump to the NFL be labeled another Spurrier?

I think not.
 
niceguy99 said:
Thank you! I don't understand why so many people think it's going to be so easy for Saban to make the switch to the NFL. He has coached college for such a long time, this is a completely different game people.
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No its not COMPLETELY different.

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It is the same game, only with better athletes on average on the overall team.

It is the business side of the game that is different and how players are acquired.

College ball from a philosophical view becomes more and more like the Pros every year.

The Dolphins have experienced Pros handling the business side of the game, and as you may have noticed Saban has surrounded himself with the best assistants money can buy, most with extensive NFL experience.

Saban took a bottom of the league Cleveland defense and by the time he left they were leading the league in defense, you might have noticed on the offensive side of the ball Saban hired the best men available to run his offense....as I said before, already we can see stark differences between Saban and Spurrier.

Bill Belichek is considered the genius of the league right now, he said Saban is the best coach he's ever known, and that he learned more from Saban than Saban ever learned from him.

So what exactly are you worried about dude?
 
Can I just say one thing without being threatened?

Saban hasnt proven anything, so anything positive you say can have a negative response.

If your going to speculate, be prepared to get it thrown right back in your face.

If your not strong enough to have it thrown back in your face, just dont post anything.

If someone is going to tell me a guy that hasnt proved anything is an upgrade or a sure thing Im going to tell you why HE MIGHT FAIL.

I really dont understand why the HE MIGHT FAIL gets lost with dolphin fans when theres a better chance he fails then succeeds.

Its not like this guy dominated in college anyways. 3-4 losses a year in college is not very good.
 
BlueFin said:
No its not COMPLETELY different.

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It is the same game, only with better athletes on average on the overall team.

It is the business side of the game that is different and how players are acquired.

College ball from a philosophical view becomes more and more like the Pros every year.

The Dolphins have experienced Pros handling the business side of the game, and as you may have noticed Saban has surrounded himself with the best assistants money can buy, most with extensive NFL experience.

Saban took a bottom of the league Cleveland defense and by the time he left they were leading the league in defense, you might have noticed on the offensive side of the ball Saban hired the best men available to run his offense....as I said before, already we can see stark differences between Saban and Spurrier.

Bill Belichek is considered the genius of the league right now, he said Saban is the best coach he's ever known, and that he learned more from Saban than Saban ever learned from him.

So what exactly are you worried about dude?
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BillsChamps2oo5 said:
Can I just say one thing without being threatened?

Saban hasnt proven anything, so anything positive you say can have a negative response.

If your going to speculate, be prepared to get it thrown right back in your face.

If your not strong enough to have it thrown back in your face, just dont post anything.

If someone is going to tell me a guy that hasnt proved anything is an upgrade or a sure thing Im going to tell you why HE MIGHT FAIL.

I really dont understand why the HE MIGHT FAIL gets lost with dolphin fans when theres a better chance he fails then succeeds.

Its not like this guy dominated in college anyways. 3-4 losses a year in college is not very good.
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I think that most people have faith in Saban because they are listening to what the man says and they are seeing that he is very intelligent, passionate and dedicated to the teaching of the game and all it's intricate fundamentals.

After watching and listening to Dave Wannstedt the last 5 years, the diference is not only night and day, it's staggering.

There is no doubt in anyone's mind, even those in the NFL circles, that we have improved in the headcoaching department. And when you improve over a coach who could get 10 and 11 win seasons out of many of the same players, there is obviously reason for optimism.

Of course he might fail, and the original poster merely stated the obvious of those reasons but...... so far, all signs are positive.
 
inFINSible said:
I think that most people have faith in Saban because they are listening to what the man says and they are seeing that he is very intelligent, passionate and dedicated to the teaching of the game and all it's intricate fundamentals.

After watching and listening to Dave Wannstedt the last 5 years, the diference is not only night and day, it's staggering.

There is no doubt in anyone's mind, even those in the NFL circles, that we have improved in the headcoaching department. And when you improve over a coach who could get 10 and 11 win seasons out of many of the same players, there is obviously reason for optimism.

Of course he might fail, and the original poster merely stated the obvious of those reasons but...... so far, all signs are positive.
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How many starters do you have from your 10-11 win seasons?

This isnt Tampa getting Gruden.

I like the talent you brought in.

But, you guys arent being optimistic your being arrogant. There is no reason why someone gets jumped all over for thinking Saban wasnt the right choice.

The fact is he HAS DONE NOTHING, so opinions can be good or bad, and all opinions should be allowed because anyone could be right.

The Wanny point goes no where with me. Im not going to feel sorry for you guys when you won 10-11 with Wanny every year.
 
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