Is Vernon Carey Better Than Robert Gallery???

[Shouright]

first off he was drafted number 2, haha... secondly just cause another guy has a good camp and plays LT and you play right doesn't mean you suck... ahem, do we not have the same situation right now with vernon? haha... its vernons second year and hes starting at RT...

im not saying gallery is the best lineman in the league right now, but hes still just 1 game into his second season, dont appoint him as a bust yet because the tough NE D got a lot of pressure on collins...

Vernon was slated to play RT and was drafted at a spot where NFL teams expect to get quality RTs. Gallery was drafted at a spot where NFL teams expect to get PRO-BOWL LTs. It sounds like you might now know much about the difference in the required talent and overall responsibility between LT and RT. There will NEVER be a RT drafted in the top 10 of the draft -- the position just isn't as important. Alex Barron may be playing RT for the Rams, but I guarantee you they're slating him to play LT at some point (and he still wasn't a top-10 pick anyway). In other words, LT is probably one of the top-3 most important positions on the field, right up there with QB and CB. The fact that Gallery isn't even PLAYING LT in his SECOND year is a huge disappointment.

And the fact that Gallery was drafted #2 rather than #4 overall just adds to my argument.

 

[derek]

DT wasn't a glaring need in that draft.:)

The age and durability of Chester and Bowens was a HUGE concern of mine at the time, and in hindsight Wilfork would have started most of last year. Not to mention putting us in great shape for the future (3-4, hindsight again).

Nothing against Carey of course. I like him too. Just saying, we should have saved ourselves a 4th rounder and stayed put. It was a win-win situation and Rick and Wanny still found a way to lose. :www:

 

[arsenal]

Vernon was slated to play RT, and it sounds like you might now know much about the difference in the required talent and overall responsibility between LT and RT. There will NEVER be a RT drafted in the top 10 of the draft -- the position just isn't as important. Alex Barron may be playing RT for the Rams, but I guarantee you they're slating him to play LT at some point (and he still wasn't a top-10 pick anyway).

And the fact that Gallery was drafted #2 rather than #4 overall just adds to my argument.

when did i say anything about RT drafted in the top 10? where did i say that gallery will be a career RT? hes going into his 2nd year... yes he had his struggles as a rookie, plenty of guys do... so this year with the way sims has played in preseason hes taken over the role of LT, not because gallery sucks, but because sims has been playing good, so gallery was moved over to RT for now... is that his permanent home? who knows... what i think is funny is that you wanna call a guy a bust because he had 1 rough year and now they have him at RT because hes their best option there right now... like someone said jonathan ogden was drafted number 1 overall and was playing gaurd his first year, guess that means he was a bust too that year right?

 

[Shouright]

when did i say anything about RT drafted in the top 10? where did i say that gallery will be a career RT? hes going into his 2nd year... yes he had his struggles as a rookie, plenty of guys do... so this year with the way sims has played in preseason hes taken over the role of LT, not because gallery sucks, but because sims has been playing good, so gallery was moved over to RT for now... is that his permanent home? who knows... what i think is funny is that you wanna call a guy a bust because he had 1 rough year and now they have him at RT because hes their best option there right now... like someone said jonathan ogden was drafted number 1 overall and was playing gaurd his first year, guess that means he was a bust too that year right?

Not a bust THAT year, but if he was still at guard it would've been a MASSIVE bust, I don't care HOW good he would've been at guard. You can get pro-bowl guards in round 2 or 3 -- you don't need to draft them #1 overall.

And I'm not calling Gallery a bust -- I'm calling him a reach at this point. The fact that Carey can play LT well (unlike Gallery so far) makes him a steal rather than a reach. So the Raiders got a reach and we got a steal. At least that's where it's at now.

 

[arsenal]

Not a bust THAT year, but if he was still at guard it would've been a MASSIVE bust, I don't care HOW good he would've been at guard. You can get pro-bowl guards in round 2 or 3 -- you don't need to draft them #1 overall.

And I'm not calling Gallery a bust -- I'm calling him a reach at this point. The fact that Carey can play LT well (unlike Gallery so far) makes him a steal rather than a reach. So the Raiders got a reach and we got a steal. At least that's where it's at now.

so 1 years ok, but if anyone goes into their second year and they aren't at LT thats going to far? the rest of their career they'll be a "reach"?

i mean hey maybe your right, maybe he'll never be good enough for a number 2 pick at LT, i just think 1 game into his second pro season is a little to early to judge his draft status...

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

like someone said jonathan ogden was drafted number 1 overall and was playing gaurd his first year, guess that means he was a bust too that year right?

Ogden was not drafted #1 overall

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

There will NEVER be a RT drafted in the top 10 of the draft -- the position just isn't as important.

Mike Williams. Drafted #4 overall by the Bills in 2002. He has never been put anywhere else on the line.

 

[Shouright]

so 1 years ok, but if anyone goes into their second year and they aren't at LT thats going to far? the rest of their career they'll be a "reach"?

i mean hey maybe your right, maybe he'll never be good enough for a number 2 pick at LT, i just think 1 game into his second pro season is a little to early to judge his draft status...

Maybe not the rest of his career, but if he spends it at RT, he'll always be a reach. Teams just don't draft RTs #2 overall. I bet you Norv Turner expected Gallery to step right in at LT LAST year, let alone this year. When I saw him at RT last year I told myself it'd be a learning year for him. When I saw him there this year I told myself he was a reach. I bet you the guy they have starting at LT isn't making half the money Gallery is. So Gallery's inability to play LT is hurting their salary structure too. You want to pay the most important position on the line the most money.

If Carey's play in the preseason is any indication of what he can do on a reagular basis at LT, we got ourselves a steal at the #19 pick overall, even WITH the 4th rounder thrown in. And if he plays LT it justifies his salary even more. Then we have a quality LT making RT money, and the Raiders have a quality (maybe) RT making LT money.

 

[Shouright]

Mike Williams. Drafted #4 overall by the Bills in 2002. He has never been put anywhere else on the line.

OK you got me there. But is he the only one? And maybe his situation is similar to Gallery's. They might've expected him to be a LT at some point, no? It takes so much talent to play LT well that some of these guys can't make the jump in the pros.

 

[rafael]

Before this season I would have said you're crazy. Gallery's physical skills are superior. But after watching the preseason (both Dolphins and Raiders) and the Raiders first game I'd have to say right now VC is better.

 

[KB21]

I wonder how many of you that are answering this question have actually seen Gallery play as a raider, and seen Carey play as our left tackle this preseason against pretty good pass rushers Reggie Hayward and Alex Brown...then Greg Spires in the Tampa game.

There is probably a tenth of a percent of people who are answering that have actually watched Robert Gallery play. The first thing I noticed is that he plays too high. He's so tall that he can't get down in under his defender. The Raiders pass protection in the second half of that game was deplorable, and Gallery was a part of that.

 

[GreenMonster]

There is probably a tenth of a percent of people who are answering that have actually watched Robert Gallery play. The first thing I noticed is that he plays too high. He's so tall that he can't get down in under his defender. The Raiders pass protection in the second half of that game was deplorable, and Gallery was a part of that.

Gallery still can't beat out Barry Sims, who is decent but not even in the same breath as top tier LT's. The right side of Oaklands line played well but Sims and Langstan Walker got blown up many times on the left. Gallery is decent but has a ways to go to be dominate as does Carey.

 

[VanDolPhan]

OK you got me there. But is he the only one?

Jordan Gross. Carolina's RT taken 8th I believe a couple years ago. Leonard Davis tried 2nd overall and they tried him everywhere.

Buffalo's whiff on Williams is made greater by the fact they passed on McKinnie.

 

[DPlus47]

agreed at this point, CK. is it just me or did langston walker (LG) look like a freakin' matador (or a turnstile) out there? if he hadn't blocked that extra point, i'm not sure he should have showed up last night.

 

[billybojim]

I can tell you this much, I watched Shawn Andrews play in Arkansas and he is better than both of them. Miami really messed up passing him by. Then again that was in the Wanny and Spielman era.....