Is Vernon Carey Better Than Robert Gallery???

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

I can tell you this much, I watched Shawn Andrews play in Arkansas and he is better than both of them. Miami really messed up passing him by. Then again that was in the Wanny and Spielman era.....

how did Miami pass him up?

 

[Dolphin North]

I just saw Willie McGinnest totally BYTCH slap Gallery in the chest and just knock him flat on his butt, and Gallery had to hold Willie to keep him away from the QB.

I have not seen that or anything like it happen to Carey in any single play that he's played this preseason.

I will admit, I have not seen enough tape to make a conclusive statement, but when all is said and done, I believe we got THE best tackle in the draft in Carey. Bar none. I guess ya'll can roast me for that if you want. Let the years prove my wisdom on it.

I'm not going to roast you because I haven't seen Carey play this year. I'm just going to hope you are right.

 

[ckparrothead]

I understand wanting to see Carey do it in the regular season, because like the quarterback position, consistency is what makes you a great tackle. But, I have learned to have a lot of confidence in the conclusions that I am sometimes able to make from watching tape...when I am able to conclude something. Watching Carey has given me a very STRONG impression that Vernon Carey will be a premium name at left tackle. Not Jonathon Ogden, Orlando Pace, or Walter Jones premium, but on the very next level below that. Like, I could definitely see him having a career that MIRRORS Richmond Webb's.

My point in creating this thread is that while Carey is showing signs of being another Richmond Webb, Robert Gallery and Shawn Andrews are disappointing so far due to injuries to Andrews and Gallery's inconsistency and bad technique.

 

[caneaddict]

It's amazing how everyone is arguing between Carey and Gallery.

I think if the draft happened again today, Andrews would be the top Lineman taken. I know he missed time with injury last year. But, from what I saw of him preinjury and training camp and preseason post-injury, he's better than Gallery and Carey.

I would put Carey #2 and Gallery #3. Actually before ranking Gallery #3 I would need to check all the later O-linemen that were drafted and see how they are doing.

 

[ckparrothead]

It's amazing how everyone is arguing between Carey and Gallery.

I think if the draft happened again today, Andrews would be the top Lineman taken. I know he missed time with injury last year. But, from what I saw of him preinjury and training camp and preseason post-injury, he's better than Gallery and Carey.

I would put Carey #2 and Gallery #3. Actually before ranking Gallery #3 I would need to check all the later O-linemen that were drafted and see how they are doing.

That's a bold statement considering Andrews only looked decent as a guard. Good tackles are unequivocally more valuable than good guards, with premium pass protecting left tackles being the most valuable linemen on the field. I will take how Carey looked during the preseason as a left tackle against guys like Hayward, Brown, and the Steelers' 3-4 defense, against how Andrews looked in preseason at GUARD any day of the week. You're still judging them based on COLLEGE, not based on what they've shown in the pros. And, for the record, getting injured in the pros is a black mark on the record, it shows you might not be able to stay healthy.

 

[KB21]

A lot of people tried to put Gallery into the Jonathan Ogden/Tony Boselli/Orlando Pace class of offensive tackles going into the 2004 draft. I was not one of them. I posted before last year's draft on here that Gallery, while a good prospect, was only slightly better than Jordan Gross was as a prospect and definitely was not in the Ogden/Boselli/Pace class of elite offensive tackles.

 

[Shouright]

That's a bold statement considering Andrews only looked decent as a guard. Good tackles are unequivocally more valuable than good guards, with premium pass protecting left tackles being the most valuable linemen on the field. I will take how Carey looked during the preseason as a left tackle against guys like Hayward, Brown, and the Steelers' 3-4 defense, against how Andrews looked in preseason at GUARD any day of the week. You're still judging them based on COLLEGE, not based on what they've shown in the pros. And, for the record, getting injured in the pros is a black mark on the record, it shows you might not be able to stay healthy.

Exactly. And basically it comes down to this: what was expected from Gallery coming out of the draft, and what was expected of Carey? Gallery hasn't met ANY of his expectations, and Carey has EXCEEDED his.

 

[caneaddict]

That's a bold statement considering Andrews only looked decent as a guard. Good tackles are unequivocally more valuable than good guards, with premium pass protecting left tackles being the most valuable linemen on the field. I will take how Carey looked during the preseason as a left tackle against guys like Hayward, Brown, and the Steelers' 3-4 defense, against how Andrews looked in preseason at GUARD any day of the week. You're still judging them based on COLLEGE, not based on what they've shown in the pros. And, for the record, getting injured in the pros is a black mark on the record, it shows you might not be able to stay healthy.

I doubt any considers an Offensive Linemen getting the back of his leg rolled on as a sign of not being able to stay healthy. Any Lineman in the league would have been injured on that play.

You are right about Guards being less valuable than Tackles. However, Andrews was drafted to be a RT, in my opinion he'll be a great one eventually. Right now, none of these guys is an elite LT. Their all playing Guard or RT. I'm not judging Andrews on college. So far in camps, games, preseason, and talk from his teammates, he's great. Right now I think if you put them all at RT, Andrews would play best. However, if either Carey or Gallery ever make a positive switch to LT than you will be right.

 

[Brad528]

How can you say that it worked out when the guy has barely played for us. Plus he has never done anything to show he is better then any of the other players you mention.

 

[Spicy Henne]

A lot of people tried to put Gallery into the Jonathan Ogden/Tony Boselli/Orlando Pace class of offensive tackles going into the 2004 draft. I was not one of them. I posted before last year's draft on here that Gallery, while a good prospect, was only slightly better than Jordan Gross was as a prospect and definitely was not in the Ogden/Boselli/Pace class of elite offensive tackles.

Do you see any of the tackles in next year's draft having that elite potential to them?
i.e. D'Brickashaw Ferguson?

 

[ckparrothead]

I doubt any considers an Offensive Linemen getting the back of his leg rolled on as a sign of not being able to stay healthy. Any Lineman in the league would have been injured on that play.

You are right about Guards being less valuable than Tackles. However, Andrews was drafted to be a RT, in my opinion he'll be a great one eventually. Right now, none of these guys is an elite LT. Their all playing Guard or RT. I'm not judging Andrews on college. So far in camps, games, preseason, and talk from his teammates, he's great. Right now I think if you put them all at RT, Andrews would play best. However, if either Carey or Gallery ever make a positive switch to LT than you will be right.

Just realize that your position that Andrews is a better tackle is just your opinion, and your opinion is based entirely on how Andrews played in college and how he played (for a very short period) at right guard in the pros.

And Carey made the transition to left tackle and beat Damion McIntosh for the start at the position. He was moved to right tackle because there was nobody on the roster who could play the position with any kind of consistency. Stockar McDougle was outright sucking, and John St. Clair (who was playing right guard) ended up cut. Damion McIntosh became one of our best five offensive linemen (he's probably #3 behind only Carey and Hadnot, maybe not even behind Hadnot right now) so it just made sense to move Carey back over to RT where he has experience in order to make sure we have a good TANDEM of tackles, not just one left tackle and a crappy right tackle.

So the whole thing about trying to downplay Carey's progress just because he's playing RT is folly, to me, because he already did make the transition to left and he proved he could play there but the coaches really needed someone to play right tackle and had the luxury of Damion McIntosh being one of our top 3 linemen but his only experience as a pro has been left tackle.

 

[cnc66]

Just realize that your position that Andrews is a better tackle is just your opinion, and your opinion is based entirely on how Andrews played in college and how he played (for a very short period) at right guard in the pros.

And Carey made the transition to left tackle and beat Damion McIntosh for the start at the position. He was moved to right tackle because there was nobody on the roster who could play the position with any kind of consistency. Stockar McDougle was outright sucking, and John St. Clair (who was playing right guard) ended up cut. Damion McIntosh became one of our best five offensive linemen (he's probably #3 behind only Carey and Hadnot, maybe not even behind Hadnot right now) so it just made sense to move Carey back over to RT where he has experience in order to make sure we have a good TANDEM of tackles, not just one left tackle and a crappy right tackle.

So the whole thing about trying to downplay Carey's progress just because he's playing RT is folly, to me, because he already did make the transition to left and he proved he could play there but the coaches really needed someone to play right tackle and had the luxury of Damion McIntosh being one of our top 3 linemen but his only experience as a pro has been left tackle.

money in the bank

 

[KB21]

Do you see any of the tackles in next year's draft having that elite potential to them?
i.e. D'Brickashaw Ferguson?

D'Brickashaw Ferguson is in that class, IMO. He's a bit smaller, but he's very good. I also think Marcus McNeill will be a borderline elite offensive tackle prospect.

 

[Crisis]

Exactly. And basically it comes down to this: what was expected from Gallery coming out of the draft, and what was expected of Carey? Gallery hasn't met ANY of his expectations, and Carey has EXCEEDED his.

How has Carey exceeded expectations? Never started a game.

Are you basing that off preseason?

 

[ckparrothead]

How has Carey exceeded expectations? Never started a game.

Are you basing that off preseason?

I know that I am basing my opinion largely off preseason game film, and off what Gallery did last year and showed last night against the Patriots. I'm fairly convinced that I am right, as of right now. That doesn't mean Gallery won't take some herculean step in the right direction some time and become the next Jonathon Ogden, same for Andrews too, but for now Carey is the best tackle in that draft class.

You know, it's real easy to sit back and talk about what can be or can't be done as far as reviewing preseason game film and coming up with conclusions, as you sit in your computer chair and don't take part in any of the activity you claim to know what is and is not possible for, but until you get in the trenches and get some experience reviewing the tape and coming up with observations and evaluations I am going to trust my eyes and brain over all "armchair quarterbacks"