you had highly ranked Defenses w/ 2 supposed great players. That is mroe than most D's can ask for and every year they folded in big spots.
Supposed great players? "Supposed?" So no they are overrated? WOW. This is really going somewhere real fast. As in you have never left the meadowlands in your entire life type of territory.
The '72 Phins aren't the best team of all time, they have the best record of all-time and were a great team but are not the best.
Undefeated, #1 offense, #1 defense, yeah..they aren;t the best of all-time..let me guess the 69 Jets were better.
Nique was a great player, he didn't win b/c he had great teams in ront of him. There aren't the great teams in front of VC the way they were in front of Dominique.
Numbers are numbers..and I still believe that Vince has one re-birth in him. Maybe with the Spurs...the Mavs..who knows...He is hardly getting help lately with the Nets commitment to never build a front line. Please..no Nenad Krystic crap...please.
Dominique was SEVEN all-NBA teams, VC has only been on 2. He's not catching him, his play is already declining- he's not a HOFer though I hope he makes it.
Nique played SF. Vince plays in an era with dominant SG's..for that matter...Apples and Oranges to compare awards at two different positions.
is a div playoff game bigger than a WC playoff game? Obviosuly it is and the div rd counts more than the WC rd.
Again...team accomplishments mean nothing, when discussing the merits of an individual.
It strengthens it, if that Bal D only gets 1 HOfer how can a choking Miami D get 2?
The Miami D wasn;t a choking D. I already demonstrated that in another thread. Again..the 72 Dolphins had 1 HOF. The 1990's Cowboy D's ranked in the top 3 ...4 times...they won 3 superbowls. THEY HAVE ZERO HOFers on that D. I can blow that argument out of the water over and over again if you want.
Now it's the QB. First it was the RB- which is it?
it's the offense. it has always been the offense. Don't act as if you didn't know that. A crappy offense is not good for a defense.
In the div rd against SF, Pittman averaged 2.4 YPC, Alstott 3.5. TB turned it over twice.
In the Championship Game at Philly Alstott had 25 yds on 17 carries(1.7 YPC), pittman had 17 yds on 8 carries(2.1). TB had 1 turnover.
the only game they had a ground game was in the SB but according to you D's can't win unless their O has a good ground game or is it that they have a top QB or is it that they don't turn it over? TB didn't have a ground game, didn't have a top QB and turned it over- how did that D play so well?
Great...I give you almost 100 years of NFL history, you come up with one example. Fabulous research.
When guys are marginal candidates you need playoff success, that doesn't mean you need 3 SB wins but you need to get past the div rd at least once.
So now the threshold is the Div Round. Let me guess...if Zach and JT made it past the div round..the threshold would be the Championship round? Ask OJ Simpson how many playoff games he played in.
bruce Smith was on a team that won 4 Conf titles and in 3 of the 4 SB's his team faced teams that were vastly superior to his.
I can fill this thread with examples of hall of famers that had less success than Zach and JT in the playoffs. Don't act as if Bruce is the only example.
barry got to a conf title game, Dickerson got to a conf title game, butkus was a player who changed the game, OJ had 4 rushing titles
Barry and Eric were non-existant in their title game appearances. OJ had 4 rushing titles? So for him...stats are okay...but for Zach and JT they are not?
Make up your mind.
Again..I suggest that you look up how many HOFers had less postseason success than Zach and JT.
Now..so you can make everybody here happy...I BEG YOU...PLEASE say that ZACH and JT ...."Will never win a superbowl"...
BTW...we are having this conversation as if Zach and JT retired yesterday. They haven't. They got a few years left to pad their resume's.