It's the same problem as last year

[roy_miami]

I know this asking a lot-
I know its a quick slant and ball needs to come out. But, if he can see Hartline doesn't win inside (he rarely wins anything) and flip his hips/ shoulder to lamar Miller who is wide open with nobody around man that's a big play.

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also, maybe Hartline would have caught that if he planned on falling down like usual.. He actually stayed on his feet, an uncomfortable position for him

There is a lot of debate as to where Tannehill should have went with the ball and from another angle you can see the ball placement was behind Hartline so I'm not saying Tannehill was perfect on the play by any means. But as far as just pass protection goes the clip demonstrates how an aware QB can make all the difference.

A lot of the debate is in this thread:

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread...ht-Into-Tanneyhills-Troubles-and-D-s-Problems

 

[teemu7]

That GIF illustrated precisely what is wrong with Tannehill. He has Miller WIDE open with no one around him and forces the ball to a WR who does not have position.

The QB is not getting better and the HC remains the most obtuse man in the organization. It's a total collection of idiocy.

 

[slk018]

That GIF illustrated precisely what is wrong with Tannehill. He has Miller WIDE open with no one around him and forces the ball to a WR who does not have position.

The QB is not getting better and the HC remains the most obtuse man in the organization. It's a total collection of idiocy.

Its possible Miller should have stayed in to help pass pro. maybe Tannehills assumes he is staying in to block and doesn't even know he is in the route...In that case, he didn't have time to hit Wallace on the comeback, clay was covered..It was his only real option with the blitz coming to throw tro Hartline (again, if he is assuming miller is staying in)--I doubt this is the case thoug. he is in shotgun and Miller is next to him, Im sure they communicate what they are doing

Edit: it isn't clay looks like Gibson up top in slot

 

[Sons Of Shula]

Sooooo... you don't know what the word baseline means so you call my post stupid....

Here's a hint: baseline /= average. If I meant average, I would have said average.

I know what the word means and posted it's definition to clarify, to you, it's misuse. ...Canadians

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

While I agree that we should stop throwing slants to Brian Hartline, the guy's the starting WR. If you can't trust him to make a basic play when it's there, what the hell is he doing on the field?

And why the hell is the OC calling the play?

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

There is a lot of debate as to where Tannehill should have went with the ball and from another angle you can see the ball placement was behind Hartline so I'm not saying Tannehill was perfect on the play by any means. But as far as just pass protection goes the clip demonstrates how an aware QB can make all the difference.

A lot of the debate is in this thread:

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread...ht-Into-Tanneyhills-Troubles-and-D-s-Problems

Are you trying to say that ALL sacks are on plays that are similar to the one you picked? You are really trying to say that because Tannehill threw quickly against the blitz on this play, he is responsible for the majority of the sacks? WTF?

 

[roy_miami]

I know what the word means and posted it's definition to clarify, to you, it's misuse. ...Canadians

baseline - a minimum or starting point used for comparisons.

average - An intermediate level or degree.

How can you not see the difference? Is this even real life?!?!?!

Manning averages 17 sacks a season. Manning is the best in the game. Therefore 17 sacks is the minimum or starting point, or baseline used for comparisons.

 

[mariocarciero]

NEW OFFENSE

5 NEW O-LINEMAN
Give it a rest already and let the facts soak in that implementing a new offensive system in the NFL take time. :crazy: It's really not that difficult. If you want to bitch about these things after weeks 8-10 then you have the green light. Otherwise, you have no foundation for generalizations.

I think you should wake up.

 

[phinfan40353]

I know this asking a lot-
I know its a quick slant and ball needs to come out. But, if he can see Hartline doesn't win inside (he rarely wins anything) and flip his hips/ shoulder to lamar Miller who is wide open with nobody around man that's a big play.

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also, maybe Hartline would have caught that if he planned on falling down like usual.. He actually stayed on his feet, an uncomfortable position for him

Actually, it appears to me Hartline DOES win the inside slant. Smith is already beaten when he breaks on a poorly thrown ball behind Hartline. If Tannehill leads Hartline with that pass over the middle, that should have been a 7 yard gain.

Tannehill made 1 of 2 correct presnap decisions: He threw back to the side where the pressure was coming from into the spot where the blitzer vacated. However, his ball placement is poor. I would note he threw with backward momentum and did not step into the throw. If his footwork would have been correct and he steps into the throw, I believe the ball placement would have been corrected somewhat.

Decent decision, poor execution on Tannehill's behalf.

JMHO

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

And why the hell is the OC calling the play?

Yeah. The problem isn't Hartline, because Hartline does some things well and some things not very well. I think the problem is that everyone who has watched this team for the last 4 years knows that Hartline isn't going to come down with a contested football more than once in a blue moon. So why send him out there to do it in a critical spot? Ugh.

 

[madmic21]

Roy_Miami


The problem here is not terminology. You are using an all-time great to show what Tannehill should be and that's not right. Just because Manning makes his oline better you cannot assume that RT should excel at this rate. You are blaming RT for the Oline struggles because a football God shows it can be done.

Don't get me wrong I am not shoving this back on the oline but to say look how good PM makes his oline look vs how bad RT makes is look is not a sane argument. Does RT hold on to the ball too long in comparison, or not make the right reads and progressions, or not audible out of a play to get a better look... Yes, but you can't expect him to cover for every bad block, call, or everything under the sun because PM can.