Jason Cole: Dolphins concerned about Tannehill

[enigmatics]

So in a nutshell your whole argument is the" deep ball"....? Because the only Moore is better at is the deep pass and those plays are rare. Most passes in an nfl game travel less than 20 yards.

It's not my only argument. His leadership was clearly on display. The guy is passionate and that's what I like about my QB's. He puts points on the board with the offense (they had 4 30+ pts games), which I've never seen Tanny do vs. even bad opponents.

Defenses know they can't shorten the field on the guy. They know they can with Tannehill right now and it's going to stay that way until he proves them otherwise.

 

[Nawledge]

It's not my only argument. His leadership was clearly on display. The guy is passionate and that's what I like about my QB's. He puts points on the board with the offense (they had 4 30+ pts games), which I've never seen Tanny do vs. even bad opponents.

Defenses know they can't shorten the field on the guy. They know they can with Tannehill right now and it's going to stay that way until he proves them otherwise.

How many of those points came from Matt moore? Did the defense score on a pick 6? Did Reggie Bush break a 65 yard run? I mean just cuz the team scored 30 doesn't mean Matt Moore was how they got 30. I'm not saying he didn't in this case the burden of proof is on you,if u care that much?

 

[enigmatics]

How many of those points came from Matt moore? Did the defense score on a pick 6? Did Reggie Bush break a 65 yard run? I mean just cuz the team scored 30 doesn't mean Matt Moore was how they got 30. I'm not saying he didn't in this case the burden of proof is on you,if u care that much?

I don't have time to run down every single drive, every single play with you in an effort to convince you of my premise that Matt Moore's deep ball keeps teams honest. Anyone who watched the season saw it with their own eyes and to deny it is just an attempt to marginalize the obvious. Reggie Bush had 1086 yards that year and only 6TD's so it definitely wasn't the run game shouldering the entire load. We were 11th in yards and 15th in Y/A.

 

[Nawledge]

Matt Moore in 2011 with us had 18 total touchdowns so he contributed 108 out of 329 points scored by the team. Record 6-10

Tannehill last year had 25 touchdowns so he contributed 150 out of 317. Record 8-8.

So I'm gonna ask you...what the **** does 4 30 point games matter??

 

[enigmatics]

Matt Moore in 2011 with us had 18 total touchdowns so he contributed 108 out of 329 points scored by the team. Record 6-10

Tannehill last year had 25 touchdowns so he contributed 150 out of 317. Record 8-8.

So I'm gonna ask you...what the **** does 4 30 point games matter??

You're not comparing apples-to-apples. Tanny started all those games. Moore had 12 starts.

The point is they put teams away that they should've because Moore's gun-slinger attack mentality allowed them to and kept defenses honest and off-balance. To this point the same cannot be said with Tannehill. They've played the poor teams close to the vest and to his credit the good teams as well. He has yet to put together four 30+ pts games with the offense at his command.

Gotta score points to win in this league. Can't get by averaging 20-22 a game.

 

[Nawledge]

You're not comparing apples-to-apples. Tanny started all those games. Moore had 12 starts.

The point is they put teams away that they should've because Moore's gun-slinger attack mentality allowed them to and kept defenses honest and off-balance. To this point the same cannot be said with Tannehill. They've played the poor teams close to the vest and to his credit the good teams as well. He has yet to put together four 30+ pts games with the offense at his command.

Gotta score points to win in this league. Can't get by averaging 20-22 a game.

If you can't prove to me how the points were scored in those games then there's no point in saying anything about the 30 points...like I said I'm not saying he wasn't the reason for 30 but in order for the 4 30 point games to have any meaning you should prove how all those points were scored.

 

[enigmatics]

If you can't prove to me how the points were scored in those games then there's no point in saying anything about the 30 points...like I said I'm not saying he wasn't the reason for 30 but in order for the 4 30 point games to have any meaning you should prove how all those points were scored.

If you want to play the semantics game, the Moore-led offense was responsible for 116 of those 130pts. One TD came off a blocked punt and one off an INT. So he had technically had two 30+ pts games where the offense was responsible for all of it.

You know how many Tannehill has in 32 starts? Zero. They don't even have a game as a whole team where they put up over 30.

EDIT: No, actually Tanny and the Dolphins have 2. Only 1 was entirely the offense.

 

[Sons Of Shula]

If you can't prove to me how the points were scored in those games then there's no point in saying anything about the 30 points...like I said I'm not saying he wasn't the reason for 30 but in order for the 4 30 point games to have any meaning you should prove how all those points were scored.

31-3 @ Chiefs- Moore 3 pass TDs, Bush 28 yd rush TD, Carp FG

35-8 vs Bills - Moore 3 pass TDs, Bush 5 yd rush TD, Hillard blocked punt for TD

34-13 vs Raiders - Moore 2 TDs (1 run, 1 pass), Bush 1 rush yd run, Burnett pick 6, Carp 2 FGs

30-23 @ Bills - Moore 2 pass TDs, Bush 76 yd TD, Carp 3 FGs

http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/miami-dolphins/results/2011

2011 Defense total points given up:

Dolphins #6
Chiefs #12
Raiders #29
Buffalo #30

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...ory=GAME_STATS&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_SCORED

Moore had a good game vs the Chiefs and enjoyed success against two very bad defenses (Raiders, Bills (x2)). Meanwhile we had a very stout D.

 

[Nawledge]

If you want to play the semantics game, the Moore-led offense was responsible for 116 of those 130pts. One TD came off a blocked punt and one off an INT. So he had technically had two 30+ pts games where the offense was responsible for all of it.

You know how many Tannehill has in 32 starts? Zero. They don't even have a game as a whole team where they put up over 30.

EDIT: No, actually Tanny and the Dolphins have 2. Only 1 was entirely the offense.

You're not getting it...Tannehill was still single handedly responsible for putting more points up. You can't prove to me Moore had anything to do with the scoring 30+ in those games, did he have one touchdown? Two touchdowns...you're point about 30+ point games is moot unless you show me. I know u can't and won't so I'll just leave it at that. It was funny talking to you Junc.

 

[enigmatics]

You're not getting it...Tannehill was still single handedly responsible for putting more points up. You can't prove to me Moore had anything to do with the scoring 30+ in those games, did he have one touchdown? Two touchdowns...you're point about 30+ point games is moot unless you show me. I know u can't and won't so I'll just leave it at that. It was funny talking to you Junc.

You're making my mind numb comparing Tannehill's 16 starts game season vs. Moore's 12.

Moore scored 18 TD's total in those 12 appearances. He kept defenses honest because of his ability to beat them over the top with big chunk plays, which created better balance and is the point you continue to miss. It's not my fault you didn't watch the games that year and apparently only became a Dolphins fan during Tanny's tenure.

 

[Nawledge]

I just looked at Tannehill stats and there's games where he threw3tds and we scored 21 points or 24 points...So he scored all of them

 

[enigmatics]

I just looked at Tannehill stats and there's games where he threw3tds and we scored 21 points or 24 points...So he scored all of them

In two full seasons as our QB, Tanny has three games with 3 TD's. Moore had 3 of them alone in 12 starts in 2011.

 

[BlueFin]

he did get to a SB and multiple title games, he also carried teams to postseason w/ far less talent than Ryan had last year but it makes no sense to compare a top 5 all time QB to Ryan. That is not fair to Ryan and not fair to 90% of the QBs in NFL history.

Now Junc..I did read your Junc post....you clearly state Marino had less talent around him....did you not?

 

[Nawledge]

You're making my mind numb comparing Tannehill's 16 starts game season vs. Moore's 12.

Moore scored 18 TD's total in those 12 appearances. He kept defenses honest because of his ability to beat them over the top and big chunk plays, which is the point you continue to miss. It's not my fault you didn't watch the games that you and apparently only became a Dolphins fan during Tanny's tenure.

Hahaha good one. If you take the amount of points they both scored individually and divide it by the amount of games Tannehill still has more.

 

[enigmatics]

Hahaha good one. If you take the amount of points they both scored individually and divide it by the amount of games Tannehill still has more.

Tannehill also had the liberty of starting the entire year and getting all his reps with the 1st last year. Moore didn't become the starter until Week 4 of 2011 and had to adjust on the fly as he got no reps in with the starters in training camp or the preseason.