Jason Cole: Dolphins concerned about Tannehill

[Sons Of Shula]

Hahaha good one. If you take the amount of points they both scored individually and divide it by the amount of games Tannehill still has more.

Moore won vs defenses (ranked by points given): #12 Chiefs, #20 Jets, #21 Redskins, #29 Raiders, #30 Bills (x2).

Moore lost vs defenses (ranked by points given): #10 Eagles, #15 Patriots, #16 Cowboys, #20 Jets, #22 Chargers, #24 Broncos, #25 Giants

So while Moore beat a near top 10 defense in the Chiefs, he also lost 4 games to defenses in the bottom half. Pick 6 (100 yard return, a red zone no-no) vs #20 Jets. 0 TD vs #22 Chargers. 1 pass TD vs #24 Broncos. 1 rush vs #25 Giants.

 

[Nawledge]

Moore won vs defenses (ranked by points given): #12 Chiefs, #20 Jets, #21 Redskins, #29 Raiders, #30 Bills (x2).

Moore lost vs defenses (ranked by points given): #10 Eagles, #15 Patriots, #16 Cowboys, #20 Jets, #22 Chargers, #24 Broncos, #25 Giants

So while Moore beat a near top 10 defense in the Chiefs, he also lost 4 games to defenses in the bottom half. Pick 6 (100 yard return, a red zone no-no) vs #20 Jets. 0 TD vs #22 Chargers. 1 pass TD vs #24 Broncos. 1 rush vs #25 Giants.

But...but..Moore can throw a deep ball

 

[Sons Of Shula]

Tannehill also had the liberty of...

...being sacked 58 times by playing behind the worst offensive line in our teams history. While still throwing for 24 TD's and helping the team win 8 games.

Dolphins franchise records:

Most passing yards in a rookie season, 2012 (3,294 yards)
Most passing completions in a rookie season, 2012 (282)
Most passing attempts in a rookie season, 2012 (504)
Longest rush by a quarterback, 2013 (48 yards)
Longest rush by a rookie quarterback, 2012 (31 yards)

 

[EvilDylan]

Typical enigmatics, arguing with everyone.

Shocking.....

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[jason_taylor]

A common denominator I see with the haters is that Tanne needs to be some elite QB that makes zero mistakes despite playing with no OLine last year. Let me guess, Tanne is supposed to make his OLine better? Please explain that one to me. With his legs, right? Oh the ones our **** OC wouldn't let him use last year?

Anyone that knows a damn thing about football knows that Tanne is the best prospect at an above average QB we've had since Marino. Why the hell cant we root for him instead of overreacting to ONE ****ING interception in a PRESEASON game that means next to nothing?

How jaded is this damn fan base? I'm ecstatic to have Tanne who, like I said, is the best thing we've had in a long time. The majority of you are just ready to roll the dice again in the draft. I'll be looking forward to most of you jumping back on the bandwagon the moment he has a TD. Because lets face it, it isn't even whole games anymore, the mood this site changes with the smallest of things

I Agree , and with the bad OL Tannehill had to play with last year and was STILL up there with the ELETE QBs ?and we still have people Question his ability to play QB ? thats just NOT Right at all . check these stats out with a ****y OL and being sacked 58 times and didnt get gun shy ? COME ON PEOPLE we have seen enough to know or i have anyways , to know we have our Franchise QB in Ryan Look at these stats and with all that went bad for Tannehill he STILL Stood in there and tryed to be positive , the OL Sucked , and the same thing can be said about the RBs , without a decent OL = No running game and 58 sacks , so here is the stats even after he had less than 3 seconds to get rid of the ball exc..

PASSING ATT COMP YDS TD
Ryan Tannehill 588 355 3913 24 tds

Drew Brees 446 650 5162 39 tds

Andrew Luck 343 570 3822 23 tds

Phillip Rivers 378 544 4478 32 tds

Collin Kaepernick 243 416 3197 21 tds

Tom brady 380 628 4343 25 tds

Russel Wilson 257 407 3357 26 tds

Cam Newton 292 473 3379 24 tds

Peyton Manning 450 659 5477 55 tds

I for One have confidence that Tannehill will improve drastic , and so will the running game ..

 

[Sons Of Shula]

Tannehill also had the liberty of starting the entire year and getting all his reps with the 1st last year. Moore didn't become the starter until Week 4 of 2011 and had to adjust on the fly as he got no reps in with the starters in training camp or the preseason.

But, but what about his leadership skills?

His leadership was clearly on display. The guy is passionate and that's what I like about my QB's.

A back-up QB's job is clearly supposed to be ready at any given moment. He should have had the passion to be ready as a starter no matter the circumstance.

 

[Sons Of Shula]

Funny how the facts were laid out in the past few pages and someone conveniently disappears.

A mystery to me. How puzzling. An unsolved riddle. Some might even say.. an enigma.

 

[finomenal]

Oh my ..

 

[dolpns13]

Can't get the answer to your question unless he starts. That's not the case right now as the keys were handed to Tanny his rookie year. So I don't see the point of your comment. He beat winning teams while in Carolina, but you'll probably tell me it was in meaningless games.

Dont act like Tannehill didn't win the starting job on his own his rookie season. He beat out Moore and Gerard fair and square.

 

[nyjunc]

And you know this how?



I wasn't counting the center. I was counting LT, LG, Rg, RT, and RB.



Sure....


So, you won't take a challenge again? Find me a team that replace 4 members of a "pretty good" OL in one offseason. Back up your willingness to ignore reality.

I have seen it before, saw it w/ you guys and Henning, saw it w/ us and Hackett & Schottenheimer in the last decade, The OC always gets too much blame.

don't care about other teams replacing certain players, your OL was more than good enough to make the playoffs, your QB failed.

The OC was not a scapegoat, you did not have to watch his **** every game for the past season. His ****ing Go - Go Go bull**** the entire year, his propensity for 3rd and 1 Daniel ****ing Thomas stretch plays, and maybe 3 plays the entire year involving Wallace that weren't "run really fast down the sideline".

it's his fault Miami couldn't convert 3rd and 1's? where do the players get held accountable? plays were there to be made, they weren't.

"Intelligent" kind of heads out the door when you repeatedly call Miami's O line "pretty good" last half of 2013, when it's been categorically proven they were below average. Below average compared to total crap =/= pretty good.

Carry on troll, you're dismissed.

actually that would back up the intelligence. I just love how no one was whining about the OL after beating NE but they you score 7 pts the last 2 games and the entire season was all about the failures of the OL.

Dont act like Tannehill didn't win the starting job on his own his rookie season. He beat out Moore and Gerard fair and square.

If Garrard was healthy he would have been starting. Ryan would have been starting sooner than later but he wouldn't have been starting week 1. He gained valuable experience and he did improve in year 2 just not enough to get himself and the team over the hump and into postseason.

 

[hoops]

this is bogus after one tough preseason outing from the qb...bogus...cole just trying to stir up something

 

[phins_4_ever]

So in a nutshell your whole argument is the" deep ball"....? Because the only Moore is better at is the deep pass and those plays are rare. Most passes in an nfl game travel less than 20 yards.

Forget Tannehill and Moore for a second. The deep ball is important no matter how often you are using it. As a matter of fact the thread of a deep ball can change an entire offense. If you can connect on only two deep balls regularly it makes a defense respect the deep ball and it prevents a DL from stacking the line of scrimmage.

I do believe that we had that argument during the Fiedler years. Because he was unable to connect the deep ball the defenses stacked the line of scrimmage and essentially took away the running game and even short and intermediate passing. In return as an offense you have to commit more players to blocking.

With a functional vertical pass thread defenses a lot of times back off from the line of scrimmage and rush only 3 guys.

Thinking that the deep ball is underrated is a flawed thinking.

 

[phinking]

Oh yea Matt Moore's pick six against backups was great...you can nitpick Tannehill but not moore? Oh I get it you're one of these guys who thinks the deep pass is the only play in football....

Maybe you are on Ryan Tannehill's payroll Nawledge but I am not. So let me give you some facts, OK? Against Tampa Bay, Tannehill was 9 of 14, 110 yards 0 TDs and put 3 pts on the board. Moore was 13 of 19 158 yds 1 TD and put up 17 pts. Against Dallas, Tannehill was 13 of 21 119 yds 0 TDs. an another 3pts. Moore was 13 of 19 172 yds 1 TD an 22pts on the board. Most people with any level of intelligence would agree that Moore's stats are better, especially with the bottom line which is POINTS ON THE SCOREBOARD!!!

 

[phins_4_ever]

How many of those points came from Matt moore? Did the defense score on a pick 6? Did Reggie Bush break a 65 yard run? I mean just cuz the team scored 30 doesn't mean Matt Moore was how they got 30. I'm not saying he didn't in this case the burden of proof is on you,if u care that much?

I think you really have to learn about the Xs and Os.
Does it really matter who scores the points? No not really. But you also have to realize that it is usually people like you who point out Tannehills TDs and how great he is.
If you ask any QB they could care less who scores the points as long as an offense scores points. For that to happen you require a diverse offense. An offense where the passing and running game is feared and respected. The running game only brings you so far. You need a QB who either adds to it or is the main ingredient.

I don't care if my franchise QB throws for 10 or 50 TDs in a season. That is really statistics. My franchise QB has to be a leader and has to be able to make every throw in the book. The deep passes, accurate short and medium passes, the quick outs (one of the hardest passes to throw), the fades etc. If your QB can make all these throws and is good at reading and recognizing defenses, goes through his progressions, and can make certain throws even when the defense knows it is coming then scoring will become a second nature for an offense. And at the end it does not matter how you score, run it or pass it. When a team scores 30 plus points then you can be assured that a QB had a significant part in the offense even if all TDs were running TDs.

 

[rent this space]

Maybe you are on Ryan Tannehill's payroll Nawledge but I am not. So let me give you some facts, OK? Against Tampa Bay, Tannehill was 9 of 14, 110 yards 0 TDs and put 3 pts on the board. Moore was 13 of 19 158 yds 1 TD and put up 17 pts. Against Dallas, Tannehill was 13 of 21 119 yds 0 TDs. an another 3pts. Moore was 13 of 19 172 yds 1 TD an 22pts on the board. Most people with any level of intelligence would agree that Moore's stats are better, especially with the bottom line which is POINTS ON THE SCOREBOARD!!!

Moore is playing against guys that won't be in league next week