jason taylor on dan lebetard show

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Spot on. Hit on some of the same points at the same time. If Sparano were smart he would've done a lot more this off season to improve. He should know he ll never coach again in the nfl once he gets fired. Then again he s a millionaire who got an extension and he can always go coach some desperate university team.

I don't even think that's a possibility.... not at the D-1 level. Only way I see that happening for him is if Bill Parcells is the athletic director of that university.

 

[hightempo]

Me and you see eye to eye on a lot from what I've seen in your short time here, you ve been busy BTW. 100 posts in a couple weeks, took me 3 yrs to get 700 :). I just can't get on board with taking Ginn n Beck, especially where we took them and I was one who thought Ginn was worth keeping to return kicks.

yeah i understand that. and thats cool patrick willis was there and so was revis. maybe timmons too. thing is and heres where im at on it

mueller and cameron were at least willing to take a swing. they at least KNEW they had to add speed to the offense, stretch the field and they needed a qb. they put together a plan to do that. and with the rest of the draft they actually found quality NFL players - two of which still figure prominently for us today and 4 or 5 who still could.

it was a good draft if anybody is honest regardless of where ginn was taken. beck anticipated throws in college and its the same thing that makes brady so damn good. so they had the right idea. and look at the other quarterbacks in that draft all u have is kolb and the eagles nabbed him. outside of ginn there wasnt any other speedy productive college receiver. and if u remember camerons comments. i dont know if they were 100% certain he would become a #1 receiver. they didnt care. they were gonna use him to stretch the field and return kicks. chicago was just coming off a season in which devin hester turned the game upside down and took the bears to the super bowl with special teams and defense. ginn has that type of return ability. gil brandt said he had the best return skills hes ever seen i believe. we have to remember ginn took back 4 kicks for us in his time here that were called back on penalties...most if not all of which were poor calls and didnt affect the return itself. he also wasnt given the opportunity to return sparanos first year, and he missed time last year. this guy has been highly highly productive as a return man, and he can literally win 2 games a year for a team.

i dont care what people think. i say #9 is actually even justified by that alone. find me more picks in that range that can single handedly impact a game like that. they dont exist. as crazy as it sounds. the pick is justified even to this day. for a player people call a bust. desmond howard was called a bust too. but guess what? he won a super bowl for the packers. its justified. our perception is just warped.

but i understand ur position, i just think if u try to think like they were, and see what they were dealing with from a talent standpoint. the moves they made actually made sense. and time has told us that draft that parcells would have u believe was awful was actually pretty damn good. - even "wasting" a first rounder on ginn.

 

[hightempo]

You must have tuned out after that because he went on to say Jim Zorn 1d, Dave Wannstedt 1e and Cam Cameron 1f

lol....listen cam was an awful head coach. but there is no way he did him dirty like that and put wanny ahead of him! u have those backwards right?

 

[tylerdolphin]

Saban was a great coach. What did him in was poor drafting and personnel decisions. He shouldnt have had full control...most coaches cant handle it. Obviously he wouldnt have left LSU for less than that, but thats what did him in at this level. As a coach though, you cant even compare Saban to Sparano. They arent even remotely close to being on the same level.

 

[hightempo]

Saban was a great coach. What did him in was poor drafting and personnel decisions. He shouldnt have had full control...most coaches cant handle it. Obviously he wouldnt have left LSU for less than that, but thats what did him in at this level. As a coach though, you cant even compare Saban to Sparano. They arent even remotely close to being on the same level.

from a personal standpoint for some reason saban almost pulled a wanny it seems. sure wish he would have been willing to give up the extra pick to move up and get haloti nagata like he wanted to. he ended up with derek hagan and jason allen....his track record would be much better if he got the two guys he wanted brees and nagata. should have been willing to give up the pick if he was convicted, and dont even know what to say about brees. but man we really blew that one.

his legacy would look a heck of a lot different if he actually would have brought those 2 guys in tho. and it very easily could have happened. it is what he wanted. just didnt work out

 

[armyphin]

his legacy would look a heck of a lot different if he actually would have brought those 2 guys in tho

He'd probably still be here.

He wasn't horrible while he was here but I think his lack of success is what sent him back to college. There aren't any easy games or small schools to crush in the NFL.

 

[phinking]

QUOTE=hightempo;1064016699]anybody see this the other day? forgot to bring it up. pretty telling tho. taylor was asked who the best coach hes played for is.

jason didnt want to answer, but when pressed said jimmy johnson was the best, but that nick saban was 1b and rex ryan was 1c.

what does that say considering the guy he plays for now? and considering not only does sparano not get mentioned, but rex ryan? a current division rival is mentioned? thats tough

this franchise picks head coaches like we pick quarterbacks. passed on mike tomlin for cam cameron because one of the operations guys at the time thought tomlin was too "street"? i think was the term used?

and then we passed on rex for sparano.

these are as bad as passing on aaron rodgers, drew brees, and probably next ryan mallett[/QUOTE]They passed on Tomlin because according to Joe Bailey (who was the team president at the time), Tomlin was "too hip-hop to be the coach of the Miami Dolphins". I know he said it because I heard it with my own ears. I would love to keep the same coaching staff for the sake of stability but if this team does not win !0 games I am in favor of blowing it up one more time. My coaching candidates are Rob Ryan, Marty Schottenheimer,Bill Cower or Chris Petersen (Boise St.)

 

[hrpuffin]

So let me get this right. Its Sparano's fault that he hasn't got the good talent in here, but it ISNT Saban's fault that he had crappy quarterbacks. Its not Sabans fault he passed on Brees? Oh ya its everyone else fault. You guys can be such Homers with your finger pointing. Saban is a *****! He did nothing here.

 

[Phin-o-rama]

So let me get this right. Its Sparano's fault that he hasn't got the good talent in here, but it ISNT Saban's fault that he had crappy quarterbacks. Its not Sabans fault he passed on Brees? Oh ya its everyone else fault. You guys can be such Homers with your finger pointing. Saban is a *****! He did nothing here.

exactly...

Saban had full control and final say on personnel. period.

Sparano has very little control on personnel. period.

 

[hrpuffin]

Do you guys even look when you point fingers? One of these days your going to miss point and shove one up your ***. Then probably enjoy it!

 

[13Dolfan87]

No Jim Zorn? :)

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

So let me get this right. Its Sparano's fault that he hasn't got the good talent in here, but it ISNT Saban's fault that he had crappy quarterbacks. Its not Sabans fault he passed on Brees? Oh ya its everyone else fault. You guys can be such Homers with your finger pointing. Saban is a *****! He did nothing here.

Brutal trying to reason with homers isn't it?

 

[hightempo]

QUOTE=hightempo;1064016699]anybody see this the other day? forgot to bring it up. pretty telling tho. taylor was asked who the best coach hes played for is.

jason didnt want to answer, but when pressed said jimmy johnson was the best, but that nick saban was 1b and rex ryan was 1c.

what does that say considering the guy he plays for now? and considering not only does sparano not get mentioned, but rex ryan? a current division rival is mentioned? thats tough

this franchise picks head coaches like we pick quarterbacks. passed on mike tomlin for cam cameron because one of the operations guys at the time thought tomlin was too "street"? i think was the term used?

and then we passed on rex for sparano.

these are as bad as passing on aaron rodgers, drew brees, and probably next ryan mallett

They passed on Tomlin because according to Joe Bailey (who was the team president at the time), Tomlin was "too hip-hop to be the coach of the Miami Dolphins". I know he said it because I heard it with my own ears. I would love to keep the same coaching staff for the sake of stability but if this team does not win !0 games I am in favor of blowing it up one more time. My coaching candidates are Rob Ryan, Marty Schottenheimer,Bill Cower or Chris Petersen (Boise St.)[/QUOTE]

u are correct - joe bailey said mike tomlin was "too hip-hop" this is the point i made in another thread. joe bailey is a dumb *** and behind the times. what about that should have scared him off??? is he stupid? clearly that would have gone over well in the locker room. just another poor decision in a long line of poor decisions because of the stone age thinking of this franchise

 

[dolpns13]

anybody see this the other day? forgot to bring it up. pretty telling tho. taylor was asked who the best coach hes played for is.

jason didnt want to answer, but when pressed said jimmy johnson was the best, but that nick saban was 1b and rex ryan was 1c.

what does that say considering the guy he plays for now? and considering not only does sparano not get mentioned, but rex ryan? a current division rival is mentioned? thats tough

this franchise picks head coaches like we pick quarterbacks. passed on mike tomlin for cam cameron because one of the operations guys at the time thought tomlin was too "street"? i think was the term used?

and then we passed on rex for sparano.

these are as bad as passing on aaron rodgers, drew brees, and probably next ryan mallett

At least he was honest for once.. Why wouldnt he pick Rex over Sparano? Rex is a WAAAAAAAAY better coach than Sparano. The fans know it, the media knows it, and all the players know it.

 

[hightempo]

At least he was honest for once.. Why wouldnt he pick Rex over Sparano? Rex is a WAAAAAAAAY better coach than Sparano. The fans know it, the media knows it, and all the players know it.

oh i think its fantastic what he said. but for all the sparano homers and people that want to blindly have faith in this front office. this should be ALL THE PROOF THEY NEED. i mean jason taylor hasnt played for all that many nfl head coaches.

jimmy, wandstedt, cameron, zorn, sparano, rex, saban. and sparano doesnt even get mentioned in the top 3. and taylor currently PLAYS for the guy. he has a vested interest to mention his name. YET HE DOESNT!!!!!

what does that tell you???? it should say alot. sparano AT BEST is mediocre!!! and here SHOULD be the proof, if anybody cant see that with their own eyes to begin with.

CLEARLY jason taylors belief in the guy isnt all that great! u think the rest of the players dont feel the same???? THEY DO. the guy is average at best. u DONT WIN WITH POOR HEAD COACHING.

this is an indictment on sparano. hes not good enough to cut it in the NFL as a head coach. new england monday night should be evidence enough with an offseason to prepare. or the team quitting last year. this guy doesnt cut it.