Jeff Fisher chimes in on public critcism of Ireland

[Pachyderm_Wave]

You're right, we'll see. IMO what Fisher "accomplished" with that trade was a no brainer, most any decent GM could have done (although didn't 2 up and comers turn down interviews because of whom they'd be answering to?). However when you have an 8-8 QB the first year, sucked badly last season and is fragile as a china doll, the wisdom of trading out of RG3 will remain to be seen.

All I know is that someone who uses a meddlesome owner as a straw man although re-upping with him several times and still being there if not outwearing his welcome is not someone whose judgment I'd trust on the basis of faith.

And you know Teddy, how I feel about "franchise QBs." I like them when they do more than go 1 and out in instant death since college... and the last I looked Ireland wasn't the one who passed on Rodgers or Brees version 2 :idk:

Not defending him, but the administration seems to be graded on what I call a "Raw Meat Curve" If it's agenda-suiting negative information it's salivated over, accepted and embraced no questions asked; if it's anything positive, it's adjudged self-serving hype to be discredited. Just some even-handed objectivity por favor. That's all I require.

I'm surprised that you still can't see the flaw in the way you're viewing it here. You're pinning the Falcons playoff losses on one guy... the guy that they would be a perennial 5-11 football team without. They couldn't even muster a first down without him when he injured his ankle against Detroit... the only significant time he's ever missed.

He's lost to the superbowl champion, or superbowl runner-up every time. He lost as a rookie to the same Kurt Warner led Arizona team that Aaron Rodgers lost to before he suddenly became the best thing since Joe Montana. Rodgers and the Packers were the favorite to win it all this year, I don't see you pinning it all on him. Rodgers lost to the same Giants team that Matt Ryan lost to.

Drew Brees hasn't won anything since Peyton Manning threw the game deciding pick in the superbowl to the Saints defense, except for go one-and-done against a playoff team that got in with a LOSING RECORD (Seahawks).

The point is, it's not what defines whether a guy is a franchise quarterback or not. Otherwise, you'd have to consider Mark Sanchez one of the best in the business based on his playoff record.

There's a lot of quarterbacks with playoff wins that weren't franchise caliber quarterbacks. A franchise quarterback is a quarterback who's team wouldn't be relevant without him. Matt Ryan fits this criteria.

Eli Manning is an elite quarterback with or without the Lombardi Trophy. He's the same quarterback even if Tom Brady had won it. Nothing changes except perception. He can make the same throws without it that he can with it.

 

[endorPHINS72]

Wait...isn't Jeff Fisher an idiot??? I do recall those words being used by some of the Ireland homers around here after he took the Rams gig.

Seriously, though...what do you expect him to say? I'd be much more interested in overhearing what Fisher thinks of Ross and Ireland in a friend to friend conversation in a bar.

 

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I'm surprised that you still can't see the flaw in the way you're viewing it here. You're pinning the Falcons playoff losses on one guy... the guy that they would be a perennial 5-11 football team without. They couldn't even muster a first down without him when he injured his ankle against Detroit... the only significant time he's ever missed.

He's lost to the superbowl champion, or superbowl runner-up every time. He lost as a rookie to the same Kurt Warner led Arizona team that Aaron Rodgers lost to before he suddenly became the best thing since Joe Montana. Rodgers and the Packers were the favorite to win it all this year, I don't see you pinning it all on him. Rodgers lost to the same Giants team that Matt Ryan lost to.

Drew Brees hasn't won anything since Peyton Manning threw the game deciding pick in the superbowl to the Saints defense, except for go one-and-done against a playoff team that got in with a LOSING RECORD (Seahawks).

The point is, it's not what defines whether a guy is a franchise quarterback or not. Otherwise, you'd have to consider Mark Sanchez one of the best in the business based on his playoff record.

There's a lot of quarterbacks with playoff wins that weren't franchise caliber quarterbacks. A franchise quarterback is a quarterback who's team wouldn't be relevant without him. Matt Ryan fits this criteria.

Eli Manning is an elite quarterback with or without the Lombardi Trophy. He's the same quarterback even if Tom Brady had won it. Nothing changes except perception. He can make the same throws without it that he can with it.

If the Falcons are a terrible team without Matt Ryan, his poor play in the playoffs has to be a major reason for their failure

 

[2413fanphins]

when is the last time we had a quarterback who took us to the playoffs 3 of 4 seasons? I don't get this site sometimes.. matt ryan is not a franchise qb because he hasn't won a playoff game, however he's been there 3 of 4 years...

conversely, matt moore is franchise material, as long as we do (insert excuse here)

 

[ohall]

Reaching

That QB (who has done nothing so far) has a pretty awful contract. When it was suggested, for example, that we trade for Bradford NOBODY thought that was a good idea ("too expensive", "injury prone", "lot to prove" etc) so it would be silly to pretend the Rams are set at QB when there's a fairly good chance (i.e. if SB isn't the answer) that they are worse off than us. At least Moore is cheap

And sure they have the 2nd pick. There's a reason for that. It's because they are awful and they have been for years

Speaking of reaching lol

 

[Myles Fynch]

I'm shocked he didn't rip Ireland. Shocked. Flabbergasted. Stunned. Astonished. I was totally expecting him to say something horrible about Ireland in public in order to further substantiate my claim that Ireland isn't a good GM. Now I need to reevaluate my feeling regarding this FO's abilities.

We're totally playoff bound this season. I feel good where we are at the QB position at this time. Enhance. Enhance. Enhance.

Tsk tsk. You're not letting it play out.

 

[Rick Cartman]

I'm surprised that you still can't see the flaw in the way you're viewing it here. You're pinning the Falcons playoff losses on one guy... the guy that they would be a perennial 5-11 football team without. They couldn't even muster a first down without him when he injured his ankle against Detroit... the only significant time he's ever missed.

He's lost to the superbowl champion, or superbowl runner-up every time. He lost as a rookie to the same Kurt Warner led Arizona team that Aaron Rodgers lost to before he suddenly became the best thing since Joe Montana. Rodgers and the Packers were the favorite to win it all this year, I don't see you pinning it all on him. Rodgers lost to the same Giants team that Matt Ryan lost to.

Drew Brees hasn't won anything since Peyton Manning threw the game deciding pick in the superbowl to the Saints defense, except for go one-and-done against a playoff team that got in with a LOSING RECORD (Seahawks).

The point is, it's not what defines whether a guy is a franchise quarterback or not. Otherwise, you'd have to consider Mark Sanchez one of the best in the business based on his playoff record.

There's a lot of quarterbacks with playoff wins that weren't franchise caliber quarterbacks. A franchise quarterback is a quarterback who's team wouldn't be relevant without him. Matt Ryan fits this criteria.

Eli Manning is an elite quarterback with or without the Lombardi Trophy. He's the same quarterback even if Tom Brady had won it. Nothing changes except perception. He can make the same throws without it that he can with it.

To be fair he didn't exactly go out swinging against the Pack or the Giants.

 

[circumstances]

fisher said this at the time. this is nothing new. he immediately said that he was extremely impressed with jeff ireland and his staff. why are we discussing it now and whether or not he is just being politcally correct? i have no doubt that fisher thinks highly of ireland, and that he would be fisher's GM right now if ross had cut him loose.

 

[dlockz]

If the Falcons are a terrible team without Matt Ryan, his poor play in the playoffs has to be a major reason for their failure

He definately hasnt sank them in playoffs. he hasnt been great by any stretch . Only on this board would we regard what he has done as failure when we cant even go .500. BEFORE Ryan three straight seasons without a winning record coming off a 4-12 season and had two playoff appearances since 2000. 4 straight winning seasons and 3 playoffs with him. Offense went from 23rd ranked to 6th ranked. hell he is already tied with Steve bartkowski for most times making the playoffs in atlanta history.Only Atlanta Qb to ever have 4 straight winng seasons as a qb.Hell as great as Marino was he never lead his team to 4 straight winning seasons.He ll peyton manning did not win a playoff game untilmhis sixth year. Now Ryan is neither of these guys but to act like he is not a damn good qb is just pure bs.

 

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He definately hasnt sank them in playoffs. he hasnt been great by any stretch . Only on this board would we regard what he has done as failure when we cant even go .500. BEFORE Ryan three straight seasons without a winning record coming off a 4-12 season and had two playoff appearances since 2000. 4 straight winning seasons and 3 playoffs with him. Offense went from 23rd ranked to 6th ranked. hell he is already tied with Steve bartkowski for most times making the playoffs in atlanta history.Only Atlanta Qb to ever have 4 straight winng seasons as a qb.Hell as great as Marino was he never lead his team to 4 straight winning seasons.He ll peyton manning did not win a playoff game untilmhis sixth year. Now Ryan is neither of these guys but to act like he is not a damn good qb is just pure bs.

so, he gets all the credit for the success but no blame for the failure? in the words of his biggest supporter, GET REAL. in 3 playoff games he has 3 TDs with 4 INTs, a QB rating of 63.6 and hasn't cracked 200 yards once. there is a good reason he is now known as Melty Ice

 

[dlockz]

so, he gets all the credit for the success but no blame for the failure? in the words of his biggest supporter, GET REAL. in 3 playoff games he has 3 TDs with 4 INTs, a QB rating of 63.6 and hasn't cracked 200 yards once. there is a good reason he is now known as Melty Ice

yea because there is something about the playoffs that make it impossible for him to win, all of a sudden he just freezes up while the rest of the team is playings so good. Im not giving him all the credit , some blame has to fall on him he is the leader of the team but to act like he will never be capable of performing well in a playoff game is silly. Hell people said the same thing about Peyton. Peyton in his first three playoff games had a 227 yard game, 137 yard game and 194 yards . Threw 1 td and 3 int in his first three playoff games. In his third playoff game his team lost 41-0 to the jets and he turned out to be a pretty damn good qb.

 

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yea because there is something about the playoffs that make it impossible for him to win, all of a sudden he just freezes up while the rest of the team is playings so good. Im not giving him all the credit , some blame has to fall on him he is the leader of the team but to act like he will never be capable of performing well in a playoff game is silly. Hell people said the same thing about Peyton. Peyton in his first three playoff games had a 227 yard game, 137 yard game and 194 yards . Threw 1 td and 3 int in his first three playoff games. In his third playoff game his team lost 41-0 to the jets and he turned out to be a pretty damn good qb.

You didn't say "some" credit has to be given to Ryan for the 4 winning seasons, all I saw was how bad they were before HIM and how much success they've had since HE got there. You can't say he is why they win, but the team is why they lose. I agree the team lives and dies by his play, but let's face it, he has crumbled in the playoffs. And I never said he isn't capable of turning it around, he certainly might start winning, but until he does he deserves all the criticism he gets. You say it's ok to rip on Jeff Ireland for three straight losing seasons, well I say it's ok to rip on Melty for three straight pathetic playoff exits

 

[dlockz]

You didn't say "some" credit has to be given to Ryan for the 4 winning seasons, all I saw was how bad they were before HIM and how much success they've had since HE got there. You can't say he is why they win, but the team is why they lose. I agree the team lives and dies by his play, but let's face it, he has crumbled in the playoffs. And I never said he isn't capable of turning it around, he certainly might start winning, but until he does he deserves all the criticism he gets. You say it's ok to rip on Jeff Ireland for three straight losing seasons, well I say it's ok to rip on Melty for three straight pathetic playoff exits

ill take making playoffs and losing anyday then being a sub .500 team year after year. If that makes matty a lesser qb than that makes ireland a horrible gm.

 

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ill take making playoffs and losing anyday then being a sub .500 team year after year. If that makes matty a lesser qb than that makes ireland a horrible gm.

If Melty can turn it around, so can Ireland

 

[dlockz]

If Melty can turn it around, so can Ireland

Ryan has shown he is one of the top qb's in the nfl if only during regular seasons , ireland has proven nothing.
Ryan is headed in right direction ireland not so much. Personally I think if we have any success this year it will be because philben made it work, now long term maybe Ireland becomes a good gm. nobody in atlanta much like Indy back in the day is panicing and they know they have a franchise qb we have no clue what we have in ireland