Joe-28th ranked coach?

[KTOWNFINFAN]

John Harbaugh in 2013.

Reading comprehesion not your strong suit?? Or do you think the Ravens were heavy favorites vs the division leading Bengals in Cincinnati, and were heavy favorites vs the divison leading Pats and that 17 + 7= 7 ?? Jus wondering.

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

So a offering a high round pick and making Albert one of the highest paid players on the team is just the GM doing his due diligence and leaving no stone unturned? Your theory wasn't good when the rumor of the trade first came out, most probably believed Philbin wanted the upgrade at that time. Then it came out that Martin skipped out on training camp and attempted to kill himself and your theory looked silly at that point. Then it came out that multiple sources said Philbin was the one that wanted the Albert trade and your theory should be flying around the room like a popped balloon. And now Brandon Albert actually is a Miami Dolphin, we couldn't wait to sign him, literally couldn't wait to sign him and your theory at this point...well, I won't say what I think of your theory at this point cause it'll likely get me an infraction.

As far as whether Joe Philbin deserves some blame for Martin being on the team I don't know how much blame he deserves for that. Nobody does because nobody has any idea on the inner working relationship between the two. Philbin reportedly wanted Incognito cut after the sexual harassment and Ireland said no to that so that would suggest Philbin didn't have much say in anything personnel related. That is not the point though, the point is Philbin tried to correct the problem before it was too late, and it doesn't matter who was to blame for the problem, we still had the time and resources to fix it...during the offseason. Philbin had the foresight to see the problem coming and he tried to fix it at the appropriate time, Ireland's biggest problem is he had no foresight, he could only fix things he could see in the rear view mirror. In this instance even a mediocre GM probably gets us at least another option at LT, which probably gets us into the playoffs, which takes the heat off our Head Coach.

Philbin should not be making personnel decisions imo, whether Albert turns out to be good or terrible Hickey still deserves most of the credit/blame for that signing. Hickey can use Philbin as a resource to help him make his decisions but he should not be letting his resource make the decisions.

Ya couldn't be more wrong, Ireland is the one who wanted the upgrade and even worked out a deal for an upgrade before the Chiefs nixed the deal. Thanksfully Ireland had the sense not to give up a 2nd rd pick (Jarvis Landry) when we could wait a few months and get him for free, which happens to be what we did. Philbin is the one who is on record STATING HIMSELF that he was ok with Martin as the startng LT.

Funny how you always use "reportly" as fact until someone else uses it then it's hearsay.

 

[roy_miami]

Reading comprehesion not your strong suit?? Or do you think the Ravens were heavy favorites vs the division leading Bengals in Cincinnati, and were heavy favorites vs the divison leading Pats and that 17 + 7= 7 ?? Jus wondering.

Why not? They were the SuperBowl champs after all. And your argument is stupid because we weren't favored at all over the Bills let alone "heavy favorites."

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Ya couldn't be more wrong, Ireland is the one who wanted the upgrade and even worked out a deal for an upgrade before the Chiefs nixed the deal. Thanksfully Ireland had the sense not to give up a 2nd rd pick (Jarvis Landry) when we could wait a few months and get him for free, which happens to be what we did. Philbin is the one who is on record STATING HIMSELF that he was ok with Martin as the startng LT.

Ireland had the sense eh? Even though that is probably the decision that got him fired....

You can't make this stuff up...

 

[truedolfan57]

Reading comprehesion not your strong suit?? Or do you think the Ravens were heavy favorites vs the division leading Bengals in Cincinnati, and were heavy favorites vs the divison leading Pats and that 17 + 7= 7 ?? Jus wondering.

the baltimore/pats game wasn't a big points spread, but 12 of the 13 espn "experts" picked baltimore to win.

 

[roy_miami]

the baltimore/pats game wasn't a big points spread, but 12 of the 13 espn "experts" picked baltimore to win.

Yeah we were slight favorites to beat the Pats at home so I can't see how the Ravens wouldn't be also.

We were favored in one game and dogs in the other, and I would guess the Ravens were favored in one and dogs in the other too.

And both Tannehill and Flacco had suffered knee injuries which might have had something to do with the collapse.

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

I wish I could continue with my wait and see approach but apparently I've been pigeon holed into a "Philbin defender" by nitwittedry. Anybody that thinks having a chance at making the playoffs week 17 whether you win or lose is worse than not having a chance at all is a nitwit. There is only one SB winner in the NFL, all the other 31 teams are losers. We still had more of a chance at the SB week 17 than the Jets or the Rams did. The Bengals had more of a chance week 18 than we did. The Broncos still had more of a chance week 20 than the Bengals did.

And anybody that thinks our head coach search should be "prove you're the next Jim Harbaugh in a year or gtfo" is a nitwit. When John Schneider and Pete Carroll took over in one of Schneider's first pressers he said they would be working from a four year plan. To a reasonable person four years to turn a franchise around would seem reasonable, some might even say its ambitious. So if an established head coach and what turned out to be a very good GM is afforded four years then why does our rookie head coach with his terrible GM only get a year and a half? Does that seem reasonable?

Them: One of the best GMs
Us: One of the worst GMs

Them: Established championship caliber head coach
Us: rookie head coach

Them: The greatest young QB in the history of the NFL by some measures
Us: Raw, even for a rookie QB, who has been mediocre

Them: tough division
Us: going up against a hall of fame coach paired with hall of fame QB

Them: transforming their team from a ground and pound defensive philosophy to a ground and pound defensive philosophy
Us: transforming our team from a ground and pound defensive philosophy to a high flying offensive philosophy

And Joe Philbin is ahead of where Pete Carroll was in his first 2 years as Seahawk, even with everything I've shown above against him. ****ing nitwitedry I tell you!!!!!

Joe Philbin has some good qualities about him, I'm sorry you nitwits can't see it, that doesn't mean he will necessarily be great, or even good, but we have invested enough time and resources in him that it would be moronic to not explore him further. You can make the exact same argument for Ryan Tannehill, its unlikely he'll ever be the next Peyton Manning, or even a hall of famer but it would still be stupid to cut him at this point. And I'm not known as a Tannehill defender around here but if most were bashing him incessantly I would probably become one.

Thats actually one of the best post I have ever seen you post. And I agree that too often on message boards we get trapped on one side of an argument and fight too hard without seeing both sides. So let me start over a little bit. I don't hate Philbin, I actually defended him quite a bit after Hard Knocks. I will say as time has gone on I have seen a few more things that I don't particularly like about him and a few things I see that make me think he won't be the long term solution as a HC. But I also hope I am wrong about him and that he turns out to be the next Don Shula, just like you probably wanted Ireland to pick a draft full of probowlers every year.

I guess the problem me and probably a few of the others taking this side of things, is that Philbin has to carry at least a little bit of the blame that Ireland did. We will probably never agree on how much credit goes to which man, and it probably isn't even that important, but it almost seems because of the position we have pushed you into that you think Philbin had NOTHING to do with the OL troubles and hasn't made a mistake since he's been here. I will go on record at this point and openly say that Ireland certainly made mistakes. Personally I think Philbin made just as many or more, but I know that isn't how you feel and that is fine. But I think if you could at least admit that Philbin is not guiltless in last year's season ending collapse, and some of the bad personal decisions, then we could all gain a little more perspective and less bickering between two sides of the same coin. We are all Dolphins fans after all. It is ok to agree to disagree from time to time, while still trying to find a way to get along, even if you are wrong most of the time lol j/k.

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

the baltimore/pats game wasn't a big points spread, but 12 of the 13 espn "experts" picked baltimore to win.

LOL, and my neighbor's parrot picks the panthers every week because that is about the only words it can say so far, but ever that stupid bird is more accurate than most espn "experts". So whats your point?

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Why not? They were the SuperBowl champs after all. And your argument is stupid because we weren't favored at all over the Bills let alone "heavy favorites."

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Ireland had the sense eh? Even though that is probably the decision that got him fired....

You can't make this stuff up...

So you would rather have Albert for 10 mil per year, than have Albert for say 9 mil per year and Landry?? If that was the decision he got fired for, then he was fired for making the correct decision. But that isn't what got him fired. What got him fired is his coach couldn't get the team prepared to win one of two games, both of which were against non-playoff teams.

 

[truedolfan57]

LOL, and my neighbor's parrot picks the panthers every week because that is about the only words it can say so far, but ever that stupid bird is more accurate than most espn "experts". So whats your point?

That they were favored. Isn't that what you asked?

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So you would rather have Albert for 10 mil per year, than have Albert for say 9 mil per year and Landry?? If that was the decision he got fired for, then he was fired for making the correct decision. But that isn't what got him fired. What got him fired is his coach couldn't get the team prepared to win one of two games, both of which were against non-playoff teams.

To be fair, having Albert last year might have helped win one game during the season, which would have put Miami in the playoffs and Ireland probably wouldn't have been fired.

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

That they were favored. Isn't that what you asked?

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To be fair, having Albert last year might have helped win one game during the season, which would have put Miami in the playoffs and Ireland probably wouldn't have been fired.

We will just have to agree to disagree on that point. First of all Talent wasn't the issue as to why we lost the last two games, it was coaching. 2nd if we would have won another game we wouldn't have been able to pick the same players we picked in the draft, not to mention not having a 2nd rd pick which would mean we would have lost Landry in the deal as well. Either way it wasn't going to matter, we were going to lose Ireland unless our draft class was more successful than it was. I think down the road we might look back on last year's draft as one of the best in recent memory, but because a lot of the players didn't get on the field in their first year Ireland got canned. And while I don't mind losing Ireland, I think we should have replaced the coach at the same time. JMO.

 

[roy_miami]

So you would rather have Albert for 10 mil per year, than have Albert for say 9 mil per year and Landry?? If that was the decision he got fired for, then he was fired for making the correct decision. But that isn't what got him fired. What got him fired is his coach couldn't get the team prepared to win one of two games, both of which were against non-playoff teams.

It all worked out brilliantly for me. I didn't think it would be possible to separate Philbin and Tannehill from the Ireland cancer. Not only did it happen but we got Lazor as a bonus and Philbin will probably get an extra year because of everything that happened. And Ireland left our new GM with a nice salary cap to work with. For all that I would gladly sacrifice one win and a playoff appearance.

 

[truedolfan57]

We will just have to agree to disagree on that point. First of all Talent wasn't the issue as to why we lost the last two games, it was coaching. 2nd if we would have won another game we wouldn't have been able to pick the same players we picked in the draft, not to mention not having a 2nd rd pick which would mean we would have lost Landry in the deal as well. Either way it wasn't going to matter, we were going to lose Ireland unless our draft class was more successful than it was. I think down the road we might look back on last year's draft as one of the best in recent memory, but because a lot of the players didn't get on the field in their first year Ireland got canned. And while I don't mind losing Ireland, I think we should have replaced the coach at the same time. JMO.

Not talking about the last two games. Mostly talking about the first buffalo game and Baltimore game. Both could have been won with better oline. And I think lack of talent on the oline was a big factor in the second buffalo game. What was it, 6 sacks in that game? Either way, no possibility of Ireland getting demoted/quiting after a playoff appearance. And honestly, at this point I don't care about Landry. He hasn't done anything yet. Would love for him to be a stud, but for right now, that excuse means nothing.

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Not talking about the last two games. Mostly talking about the first buffalo game and Baltimore game. Both could have been won with better oline. And I think lack of talent on the oline was a big factor in the second buffalo game. What was it, 6 sacks in that game? Either way, no possibility of Ireland getting demoted/quiting after a playoff appearance. And honestly, at this point I don't care about Landry. He hasn't done anything yet. Would love for him to be a stud, but for right now, that excuse means nothing.

A playoff appearance would not have saved Ireland's job, no way no how. Not with the way our draft class performed. Someone had to be the scape goat for bullygate or the FO would look like they were not addressing the issue. To me it would have made more sense to let that person be Philbin but that was not the direction Ross was looking. Ireland was gone no matter what.

 

[truedolfan57]

how many GM's do you know have gotten fired or demoted/quit after making the playoffs? And how the draft class performed? most were injured and/or did not play. plenty of good teams didn't have many rookies play. including both teams that made it to the super bowl. Bullygate had nothing to do with Ireland getting demoted/quitting. the ONLY reason Ireland got demoted/quit was because they didn't make the playoffs, again.