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Johnny Manziel Critics

There are two realities here in my opinion. The first one is that the reason Manziel can't catch any slack is because of his own doing. He brought it all on himself. But he doesn't care... yet. Neither did Cam Newton.

The second reality is that if anybody on the planet can rival Cam Newton's hot doggin' attitude and arrogance, it's Johnny Football. I think Cam Newton caught a lot of criticism that was unfair based on what his father did with him. I think Cam began to resent that, and it fueled his defiance. It made him a great player. However, just like Manziel... Newton brought some of it on himself too.

From what I observed, Cam Newton was going to have to suffer through a few things because of his attitude and arrogance... and I was dead right. He was going to have to get used to losing in the NFL, which he had never had to deal with before and it wasn't going to be easy. He was going to sulk and have to grow up... get called out by his teammates for lack of leadership and maturity. Every bit of this came to fruition.

It wasn't about playing football. I knew he could do that. It was about becoming a man. Cam Newton is becoming a man now. He's learned how to overcome it and mature as a person. He wasn't going to be successful if he didn't accomplish this. The same applies for Manziel.
 
nah...something else i read further up...but when i saw where it showed it looked like i was referring to you twos posts last posts i edited it somewhat
 
The issue with Johnny Football is not all about football. It is about all the baggages he's going to bring with him. Whichever team draft him will have to deal with the circus comes with him. There are not many NFL can successfully handle it.

Football is a team game. Any one player cannot be bigger than the team. He doesn't seem to know how to lay low a bit, even it will probably help his draft stock.
 
I'd say my analysis Of him on pages 2,3,4 Were pretty spot on.

People thought I was nuts when I Called him Case Keenum 2.0, not so much anymore I bet.

But hey, he's got big hands, he's going to be great!
 
Johnny Football will be a bigger bust than Ryan Leaf. I wouldn't be shocked if the Browns just cut Manziel between now and next season.
 
Johnny Football will be a bigger bust than Ryan Leaf. I wouldn't be shocked if the Browns just cut Manziel between now and next season.

What? lol...you think Manziel gets arrested?

I never posted in this thread but I posted my dislike of Manziel in other threads. I wouldn't have drafted him and that wasn't just based on the character concerns. Any QB that runs around like a chicken with his head cut off and then throws up a prayer in the vicinity of Mike Evans so that he could use his 6'5" frame to out jump everyone and make his QB look good was not anyone I'd have under center. It's also a reason I gave Mike Evans a bad draft grade initially. I couldn't tell what kind of football player he was because so many of his plays were improvisation by the QB. Evans did surprise and impress me at the combine though...he looked a lot better than I expected.
 
Girlziel sucks.

Here's a look at Johnny Manziel's turbulent time with the Browns, going back to the 2014 NFL draft:

Feb. 14, 2014 -- Before the draft, Manziel says many things about Johnny Football being gone and taking his job seriously.

May 9 -- Manziel texts the Browns during the draft and urges the team to take him so they could “wreck this league” together. After being taken 22nd overall, Manziel does his money sign as he walks on stage.

May 10 -- After the draft, Manziel parties the night away with magnums of champagne and celebrities.

May 26 -- Manziel appears in several online photos in Vegas during a down time in the team's offseason work.

June 10 -- The infamous photo is taken of him on the floating swan with a bottle of champagne.

June 16 -- The “money phone” video appears.

June 27 -- At the rookie symposium, Manziel speaks with the media and says he would not change his life for anybody.

July 4 -- A photo of Manziel rolling money into a small tube in a Vegas bathroom appears.

July 25 -- The Browns admit they are “alarmed” by some of Manziel’s behavior.

July 26 -- The Browns call Manziel in the day before training camp and speak pointedly to him about his off-field habits. Owner Jimmy Haslam says the team “expects better from him.”

Aug. 14 -- Manziel is late for a training camp meeting, saying he “misread the schedule.”

Aug. 18 -- Manziel extends his middle finger to the Redskins' bench in a nationally televised game, for which he is fined $12,500.

Aug. 20 -- Brian Hoyer is named the starter and Manziel admits to not being ready.

Nov. 22 -- There is a lobby incident/fight between Manziel, a friend and a fan Manziel describes as aggressive and intoxicated. The Browns express disappointment at the timing of the incident, at 2:36 a.m. the morning the team is flying to Atlanta for a game.

Dec. 1 -- Manziel replaces Brian Hoyer in Buffalo and runs for a touchdown to end his first drive.

Dec. 12 -- Yahoo! posts a story detailing the crazed lifestyle Manziel had in college, and how he went from being a college player "to Elvis."

Dec. 14 -- Manziel starts his first game against Cincinnati and throws for 80 yards as the Browns lose 30-0.

Dec. 21 -- Manziel pulls his hamstring and leaves the game just before halftime in Carolina.

Dec. 23 -- Manziel says he intends to take his job more seriously, that “it’s a job for me now.”

Dec. 27 -- Manziel does not show up for a team walk-through and treatment, with Browns security going to his home to find him. He later admits to being out the night before.

Dec. 29 -- Manziel says he can't say anything more to prove himself, that he has to put his words into action. The team agrees.

Dec. 30 -- The Instagram video appears with Manziel wishing LeBron James happy birthday.

Jan. 16, 2015 -- Manziel and Josh Gordon spend time in Aspen, Colorado.

Jan. 23 -- An ESPN.com story appears chronicling Manziel’s rocky rookie season.

Jan. 28 -- Manziel enters treatment at the Caron Center outside Reading, Pennsylvania.

April 11 -- Manziel leaves treatment after an extended 10-week stay.

June 1 -- Manziel throws a water bottle at a badgering fan at the AT&T Byron Nelson golf tournament in an incident that is dismissed as "fairly straightforward" by a police spokesman in Irving, Texas.

June 17 -- Manziel meets media for the first time, promises to junk the signature “money sign” and says he will do all he can to tamp down the off-field hype.

Aug. 13, 20 -- Manziel has a running and passing TD in each of the first two preseasons games.

Aug. 23 -- Manziel leaves practice with elbow soreness. He would miss the final two preseason games.

Sept. 13 -- Manziel takes over after Josh McCown leaves the opener with a concussion and has poor results.

Sept. 20 -- With McCown out, Manziel throws two long TD passes to Travis Benjamin in the Browns' first win of the season.

Sept. 27 -- McCown returns to the starting lineup against Oakland.

Oct. 12 -- Manziel is questioned by police after witnesses called to report he had been driving dangerously on the shoulder. He parks his car in Avon, Ohio, where his girlfriend tells a witness he had been beating her. Manziel admits to drinking downtown during the day. No charges are filed and the couple is allowed to leave together.

Nov. 5 -- Manziel starts for an injured McCown in Cincinnati and struggles in a 31-10 loss.

Nov. 7 -- Manziel is honorary captain at Texas A&M and parties that night in College Station, Texas. Photos appear on social media early the following week.

Nov. 15 -- Manziel starts in Pittsburgh and plays well, throwing for 372 yards in a 30-9 loss.

Nov. 17 -- Mike Pettine names Manziel the starter for the rest of the season. In doing so, he tells Manziel he has to live up to the responsibility. Manziel promises he will do nothing the bye week to embarrass the team or the organization. Later that day, the NFL announces Manziel will not be disciplined for the Oct. 12 incident under the league’s personal conduct policy.

Nov. 23 -- A video appears online on bustedcoverage.com and TMZ.com showing Manziel singing a hip-hop song while holding a bottle that appears to be pink champagne at an Austin, Texas, club. Other photos appear from his Thursday and Friday evenings in Austin.

Nov. 24 -- Pettine expresses his disappointment and frustration with Manziel’s actions, then announces he has lost the starting job. Pettine says McCown will start Monday night against Baltimore. Manziel is made the team’s third quarterback.

Nov. 26 -- It's learned that Manziel was demoted in part because he lied to Pettine and the coaches about when the video was filmed. FOX Sports adds that Manziel asked his friends to lie about it as well. Pettine says only that "trust and accountability" were major factors in the decision to demote Manziel.

Nov. 30 -- Josh McCown suffers a broken collarbone against the Ravens, but Austin Davis, not Manziel, replaces McCown in the Browns' loss.

Dec. 7 -- Two weeks after he lost his starting job, Manziel is named the starter against San Francisco.

Dec. 13 -- In his return to the starting lineup, Manziel leads the Browns to a rout of the 49ers. He throws for 270 yards with one touchdown and one interception. Before the game, he signs a fan's $100 bill.

Dec. 20 -- Manziel and the Browns are blown out by the Seahawks. Manziel throws for 161 yards with one touchdown and one interception.

Dec. 27 -- Manziel rushes for 108 yards and passes for 136 yards with an interception in the Browns' close loss to the Chiefs.

Dec. 29 -- A social media video of Manziel surfaces with him singing along to "March Madness" by Future in a private residence. Mike Pettine says he will have a conversation with Manziel.

Dec. 31 -- Manziel is ruled out for the Browns' season finale against the Steelers due to a concussion.

Jan. 3, 2016 -- Amid rumors of an appearance in Las Vegas, Manziel fails to check in with medical staff at the team's facility, as players with concussions are required to do, before the Browns' game against the Steelers.

Jan. 4, 2016 -- Manziel is in attendance as owner Jimmy Haslam and new director of football operations Sashi Brown address the team.

Jan. 6, 2016 -- Manziel is cited for driving with expired license plates.

Jan. 13, 2016 -- The Browns hire Bengals offensive coordinator Hue Jackson as their new coach. A source told ESPN.com that the hiring of Jackson as coach means the end of Manziel in Cleveland.

Jan. 27, 2016 -- New Browns coach Hue Jackson told Cleveland.com and 92.3 The Fan in Cleveland that he hasn't yet talked to Manziel, but that the quarterback is "definitely on our list."

Jan. 28, 2016 -- Browns owner Jimmy Haslam spoke to reporters and said the team's relationship with Manziel is fixable. Haslam was noncommittal about Manziel's future, though.

Jan. 30, 2016 -- Police were called to investigate an incident involving Manziel in Fort Worth, Texas. Fort Worth police said in a statement that an incident report was being compiled "regarding an altercation between Manziel and his girlfriend." Manziel was not arrested.
 
They'll be wrong. Let them be wrong. The more decisions you make the greater likelihood of flubbing the bottom line.

Robert Griffin really didn't surface nationwide in a big way until late in his senior year. For some reason nobody bothered to backtrack. I wasn't the only one howling about his character issues. There were several posters on the major college football forums doing the same, notably the fans of Oklahoma State after Griffin whined throughout that first half while Baylor was trampled at Stillwater. That game preceded the fame.

I remembered similar examples from every season of his career. I bet so many games you get to know the principals, often for ease of cursing them by name.

Greatness finds a way. That's my amusement with all the knocks on Manziel's playing style. Do you really want to be among that crowd, the ones who think he'll fade to mediocrity or worse simply because the NFL is more pocket oriented? Scary. Absolutely scary. There's a guy with all this early demonstrated talent, good enough to shred Alabama twice, and you are relying on an adjustment and little else. Good luck with that. Manziel drops back, scans the field, and suddenly the adjusters are terrified. Wait a minute. He completed a dart from the pocket. And he didn't act surprised or winded or even slightly impressed with himself. How can that happen? What about my cynical adjustment? The freak talents have no trouble adapting. Secretariat preferred to stretch run but when the Preakness unfolded with need to go to the front, he looped the field early and said goodbye.

The same crowd who want to pretend a moderate talent merely needs more time are generally the ones who happily downgrade the genius types.

When Manziel became prominent midway through the 2012 season, I did some research and found the high school article in which he emphasized that he was determined to be a good person off the field. I posted that link here last fall. As always, I place highest value on early indications, not last second cramming for tests. I believe Manziel will live up to that promise. Admittedly, it's somewhat of a leap of faith. I trust my judgment. Even when Robert Griffin starred early as a Redskin I knew the long established character problems had to surface. Not to mention the complete inability to sense pressure, and therefore vulnerable to leg injuries galore. Can anyone with a straight face imagine Robert Griffin executing the dip and dodge maneuver that Manziel pulled off against Duke?

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