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Jonathan Martin traded to San Francisco

TheWalrus said:
This. Not that I expect these two particular moves to do anything for the 49ers, but this is the same technique the Patriots used so many times and the 49ers themselves benefited from with Donte Whitner and Carlos Rogers, both of whom flamed out with their original teams but were considered top talents coming out of the draft and were molded by the 49ers into useful players. If that wasn't enough to buy them some credibility, they did the same thing with Ahmad Brooks, who in college was considered a potential top 10 pick before he ran into problems and they likewise got a few useful years out of Manny Lawson, who flamed out as a first round defensive end before finding a home as a gigantic strongside linebacker.
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Everyone tries on reclamation projects. Easy to remember the ones that work and forget the ones that do not. Often when they do work, it's with a player that overcomes personal problems, or has a change of scheme/position. Also, most of these guys showed some ability in the NFL prior to being "turned around". Whitner made 140 tackles in his last season at Buffalo. Rogers started all five years he was in Washington. It's not like these guys were Kurt Warner type discoveries. Even most of the guys the Patriots did this with were undervalued assets who were coming off poor years or had fallen out of favor with their previous organization, rather than complete busts.

Jonathan Martin and Blaine Gabbert have not shown even decent ability in the league. Martin might work out, if only because he's being brought on for depth rather than to start. Plus, Harbaugh knows that Martin owes him, and will play his tail off if he has any real desire to be an NFL player. Gabbert, though, is a complete waste of time.

It's easy to talk about these sorts of things being low-risk and requiring minimal resources. The truth is, though, these guys are taking up spots in camp. Football is a young man's sport, and that's one fewer draft pick or UFA that you're getting a look at. When you talk about doing this sort of thing in volume, you may have missed on someone else the organization had an eye on and turns out to be a surprise talent elsewhere.

Personally, I think the risk/reward ratio is more favorable for Jim Harbaugh than the 49ers. No one will blame him if these guys bust, as long as the team makes the playoffs. If they manage to contribute, Harbaugh will get all the credit for it.
 
Well unfortunately we had no choice but trade Mrtin. Just another in the long line of Ireland high draft picks that yielded us jack crap.
At least we have all the cap space from never resigning hardly any of his players. Cant call it great trade for us but its the only trade we could probably get.
Shame to because before the issue Martin was still a starting caliber right tackle. Great trade for 49ers they get a second round pick that started every game he has played, that if he comes back
should be a at worse a good swing tackle. There is risk but giving up almost nothing for a guy he has already coached with success is a no brainer.
Kind of funny how a year ago people felt there was no downgrade from Long to Martin and a year later people act like he was the worst tackle in history lol.
At least now we can close this chapter. The right tackle from the Jets is not all that and yet some team made him pretty rich. Martin was as least as good as him in 2012.
Better than SF signing Clabo

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This was the best we could do and now we are over this mess. Glad we didn't let it drag out
 
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2. Pats
3. Niners
 
Personally, I think Martin should choose a different vocation. I don't think he should be playing football. He carries weight that doesn't suit him, and he's not elite, so he's not a starting LT. Maybe being in the NFL means that much to him, it's his choice I guess. It's good in any case that this chapter is closed, he has a fresh start and so do we.

What really bothers me though, is that we don't have a culture of winning. Someone on the 49ers said, welcome bro, we're all about winning over here. And my team wasn't. My offense was about handing out blowup dolls, going to strip clubs, and texting like girls. My offense was about Ryan Tannehill not mentioned in many meaningful conversations good or bad. My offense was about not being able to run the ball and get even a yard sometimes. My offense was about excelling in sacks, not touchdowns. It was just....bad. And this is from a team that was supposedly emerging. It wasn't a deteriorating NE team. It wasn't a shaky Jets team with a brad new rookie QB. We were supposed to excel last year, to build on what he had and take a step forward. Instead, we're scrambling to fill a bunch of holes we never even knew we had before. At the start of Joe Philbin's tenure, did you think that in year 3 the offense would need 4 starting O linemen, and a RB? Did you think we'd have no star TE? Even our top draft pick last year, Jordan, the guy we traded UP to get, supposedly has a poor work ethic and is not impressing the staff. Are you kidding me?

I don't know what our record is going to be this year and I don't really care. What I want is to see a real team. An organization that knows what it's doing, and makes some legitimate strides.

Please, Hickey, save our team.
 
HoneyB said:
Personally, I think Martin should choose a different vocation. I don't think he should be playing football. He carries weight that doesn't suit him, and he's not elite, so he's not a starting LT. Maybe being in the NFL means that much to him, it's his choice I guess. It's good in any case that this chapter is closed, he has a fresh start and so do we.

What really bothers me though, is that we don't have a culture of winning. Someone on the 49ers said, welcome bro, we're all about winning over here. And my team wasn't. My offense was about handing out blowup dolls, going to strip clubs, and texting like girls. My offense was about Ryan Tannehill not mentioned in many meaningful conversations good or bad. My offense was about not being able to run the ball and get even a yard sometimes. My offense was about excelling in sacks, not touchdowns. It was just....bad. And this is from a team that was supposedly emerging. It wasn't a deteriorating NE team. It wasn't a shaky Jets team with a brad new rookie QB. We were supposed to excel last year, to build on what he had and take a step forward. Instead, we're scrambling to fill a bunch of holes we never even knew we had before. At the start of Joe Philbin's tenure, did you think that in year 3 the offense would need 4 starting O linemen, and a RB? Did you think we'd have no star TE? Even our top draft pick last year, Jordan, the guy we traded UP to get, supposedly has a poor work ethic and is not impressing the staff. Are you kidding me?

I don't know what our record is going to be this year and I don't really care. What I want is to see a real team. An organization that knows what it's doing, and makes some legitimate strides.

Please, Hickey, save our team.
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a lot of good points in this post. The shame was that martin was drafted to be our RT and was forced to become our LT
 
Glad he's gone. Thank you Ireland for yet anothr wasted 2nd round pick.

Ozzy rules!!
 
ha ha...that softy going to that physical front team...shocked as heck though that we got even a conditional pick...crazy to bring that in your locker room projects more as a 3rd tackle than anything else...but way too soft for that physical front oline
 
Harbaugh looks like a genius next year as the Fins coach.
 
hooshoops said:
ha ha...that softy going to that physical front team...shocked as heck though that we got even a conditional pick...crazy to bring that in your locker room projects more as a 3rd tackle than anything else...but way too soft for that physical front oline
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No real risk to SF if he sucks they cut him no damage done. Most teams don't have a third tackle of that level.

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Hayden Fox said:
Harbaugh looks like a genius next year as the Fins coach.
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Not sure Harbaugh would want to work for our owner.
 
dlockz said:
No real risk to SF if he sucks they cut him no damage done. Most teams don't have a third tackle of that level.

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Not sure Harbaugh would want to work for our owner.
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Not sure Harbaugh wants to work for the 49ers owner either.

Good riddance to the Big Weirdo!

He SUCKED!
 
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