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Jonnu Smith Trade?

Any component nfl starting qb would thrive behind that wall. I will bet you he gets the most clean pocket time out of any qb in the league. Burrow would be breaking records behind that line. As a matter of fact it's pathetic that Hurts didn't lead the league in passing yards etc.

This Hurts your argument in a big way. Pun Intended
So funny. Hurts faced more pressure than Tua. Literally every QB in the league faced more pressure than Tua.

There's very few QBs in the league that have the package of physical weapons that Hurts does, and that even includes Burrow although he did finally up his rushing game last season.
 
The Eagles were essentially the #1 defense last year and they had the NFL's best rusher who ran for 2,000 yards in 16 games with a nearly 6.0 ypc average.

Jalen Hurts, who almost never threw across the middle of the field (look at the heat maps), passed for 2,900 yards in 15 games with 18 TDs and 5 INTs.

On top of that production, Hurts ran for 600 yards which is certainly good but not "wow" kind of stuff.


Is Jalen Hurts elite? I don't know any serious person who'd say yes although he's certainly a feature of a dominant team not unlike how say, Russell Wilson once was in Seattle.

What happened with Russ after the LoB defense was dismantled kind of speaks for itself. The dynasty collapsed and Russ became a hired gun dancing from Denver to Pittsburgh to the NYG on short stints to solidified the NFL's understanding that he was a limited QB who needed a great team around him capable of carrying him just as much as he lifted it.

Does that erase what he did in Seattle? No, but it does shine light on how over-rated he probably was when he was labeled as one of the elite QBs in the NFL alongside guys like Aaron Rodgers in GB who basically were the offense where they played.

Just as Russ' team beat Peyton Manning's in the Super Bowl, Hurts' beat Mahomes and the Chiefs. Did the better QB win? No, but that's interesting as well.

Ranking QBs is just fun to do so we do it. In reality, you work around who you have and upgrade when you feel you need to. When the Eagles fall apart, most would probably agree that Hurts won't be enough to sustain them into the next dynasty. His short-comings as a full-time passer will become the focus of criticism and his pricetag will make him the enemy in Philadelphia.
 
So funny. Hurts faced more pressure than Tua. Literally every QB in the league faced more pressure than Tua.

There's very few QBs in the league that have the package of physical weapons that Hurts does, and that even includes Burrow although he did finally up his rushing game last season.
isn't that because no one gets the ball out quicker than Tua?
 
Jonnu Smith was an interesting story last year.

Point #1
2024 was far and away his best year as a pro. Prior to that he'd spent 7 seasons as an unremarkable player averaging 31 catches and 346 yards per season. He was good in a TE rotation which is what he did in Tennessee, NE and Atlanta playing alongside Delanie Walker, Hunter Henry and Kyle Pitts, respectively.

Smith's sudden leap to being the NFL's 4th most productive TE in 2024 was definitely a story of 'right place, right time' wherein he found himself within an offense that (1) needed to throw some short passes underneath and (2) had little competition at TE.

I think anyone who knows football can appreciate that we likely got the maximum possible from Jonnu Smith.

Point #2
If the Dolphins passing offense is going to flourish once again, it needs to find a way to lean on it's best players, namely Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle, both of whom had horrible seasons last year compared with expectation. Not only will they be looking to bounce back but there will likely be pressure on the Dolphins coaches to make sure that happens...which means fewer targets aimed at TEs.

Point #3
The Dolphins obviously need to improve their run game which has a multitude of deleterious effects on overall passing production. While the efficiency is likely to be there in the pass game, the presence of a more consistent, reliable rushing attack will limit the overall volume of passes and the yardage that can be broken up among the receiving targets.

Point #4
There's actually a good comparison for Jonnu Smith in the 2024 NFL statistics and that's Mike Gesicki who averaged basically the same production on a per-target basis with the Bengals. Gesicki also had a career year with essentially 75% the yardage of Jonnu Smith on 75% the targets.

It's therefore somewhat nice that we can go back to the peak of the Dolphins success (2022) and look at what Mike Gesicki meant to the offense. Well, that year he had 32 receptions for 362 yards. While he was clearly the best receiving TE on the team, the focus of the offense was the speed...namely Hill, Waddle and Mostert.

In short, throwing to Gesicki wasn't terrible but it wasn't nearly as productive. I suspect that if the '25 Miami Dolphins are a great passing offense, we'll see Jonnu's role decline. I wouldn't be surprised to see his 111 targets drop to something like the 56 we saw Gesicki get in '22.


Projection
Let's imagine Tua has a good year with 540 passing attempts (an average extrapolated from his '22 and '23 seasons) and let's combine that with a strong 8.0 ypa average. That's gives us 4,320 passing yards.

If we assume Tyreek and Waddle steal 2,320 that leaves us with 2,000 yards passing to spread among RBs, TEs and WR depth.

Achane (whose receiving role isn't likely to decrease) will account for at least 600 yards of that leaving 1,400.

Anyone watching last year should've noticed that Malik Washington basically put together his entire season in the 2nd half of the year. In fact, 170 of Malik's 223 yards came in the final four games of the season! If we assume that Malik's 45 yds/gm average holds through this season, he'd account for some 700+ yards. So, I think it's safe to say that of that 1,400 yards, at least 1,000 of those would come from Malik Washington alongside the other WR depth...namely Westbrook-Ikhine. I wouldn't be surprised if Tahj makes it into the mix a little.

That leaves 400 yards for the TE. Let's round that up to 500 to be nice. Well, that's pretty much what Mike Gesicki & Durham Smythe put up in 2022...362- and 129-yds, respectively.

I understand that it'd be great to have the best TE possible but the difference between Jonnu Smith producing those 400-500 yards versus having the other guys put up a bit less may not be worth the pick being put on the table or the price Smith is asking for.


All that said, would I be okay losing Jonnu Smith?

No, there's a strong correlation between being a high-scoring offense and having a TE who is some appreciable part of that operation.

While it may be true that the better the 2025 Miami Dolphins passing offense is, the less it may feature Jonnu Smith...that doesn't mean I don't think having a solid TE option available when we do need it isn't a good thing we should hang onto.

Moreover...losing Jonnu Smith literally means Julian Hill and Pharoah Brown would be your options. Those guys are unlikely to combine for more than 300-yds based on their history.

Personally, I'd rather keep Jonnu Smith in Miami and have a good player to root for when we happen to need a TE to go and win us a game.

Reminder, we don't beat the Baltimore Ravens in wk-2 of 2022 without Mike Gesicki...and we may not beat the NYJ last year without an OT drive that consisted more or less entirely of throws to Jonnu Smith including the game-winning TD.

I'm sure we'll end up badly needing Jonnu at some point in 2025 and personally I'd much rather have him stay.
 
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Literally every QB in the league faced more pressure than Tua.

isn't that because no one gets the ball out quicker than Tua?
IMO, Tua gets the ball out quickly for two reasons. One, because Grier can't build a competent o-line that gives the QB time to let plays develop downfield. And two, Tua can only look decent at QB when he gets the ball out quickly, because he's not able to EFFICIENTLY move around and evade pressure and either make off-script plays like Mahomes or be a threat running the ball like Allen. IOW, Tua NEEDS to get rid of the ball as quickly as possible, and we've seen times when it doesn't matter if that receiver is open or not.
 
Yeah. The full 17 games. What a concept! Tua went 6-5, and again wasn't there when the team needed him most. I know what QB I would take. Keep on those glasses though.
Never said I would take Tua over Burrow, though. That is your pretend scenario. Carry on,
 
Anthony Weaver is going to be the head coach of this team by Halloween.
 
They knew this before the draft and Tyler Murphy was available they are complete morons! We con not lose Smith.
 
I guess he's asking for "a lot". If he wants anything close to what the Patriots were paying him ($12 million) I would have to explore my options
 
Tua got injured, came back, but was not 100%. Tua has issues staying healthy, but when he is healthy, he seems to quietly get as much or more success with less around him then Burrow, and Hurts.

Tua's career is very shaky right now, but not because he can not match top QBs in games, but because he can't stay healthy, and seems to have a tough guy mindset, instead of being smart and sliding early.

Whether people see how effective he can be in games, or choose to cover their eyes to who Tua is as a QB does not change the fact Tua is an injury prone top 10 (Possibly 5) QB that needs to protect himself better or watch his career end.
When Tua is healthy he is absolutely gold. Him, the offense, shades of ‘84. The league should be scared, if he stays healthy, ohh boy!
 
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