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remember when people said we we're saving Pat White in the preseason so we could unleash him in the regular season as our secret weapon???? hahaha.... The only secret about that weapon is that he can play 1st base.
Kevin Kolb Fins #1 Priority, Dolphins Interested in Kevin Kolb
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remember when people said we we're saving Pat White in the preseason so we could unleash him in the regular season as our secret weapon???? hahaha.... The only secret about that weapon is that he can play 1st base.
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Miamifinz
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He just hasn't done enough. It's a big risk, and I have a terrible feeling that it won't pay off.
dlockz
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I damn sure did not think he would be this good but I doubted that he would be cut because they signed him to a long contract. I still am not sold on wake as a good all around linebacker but in pure pass rushing he is definately a beast. Still feel that its very rare for a CFL player to be able to come in and make an impact in the NFL but he is proof that it happens once in a while. Goes from not being good enough to make it through preseason, then not getting any calls from any teams for two years to being a top player in the cfl to a probowler in the NFL. I wish I could be wrong more often when its about a dolphin player not being all that but sadly Im not.
"Kolb said he had a sit-down with[FONT=inherit ! important] [FONT=inherit ! important]Andy [/FONT][/FONT]and let him know where he stands."
Then Andy told him he was going to sit, just like he was in the meeting unless some team is willing to overpay for his average play...lol. Not so funny, Miami called shortly after asking if AJ could be had for a 3rd, Andy said no...but you can have AJ 2.0 for a 1st.
Yes...joking. But damn I hope he stays the hell out of Miami!!! He is not worth anything over a 4th round pick. I would not mind giving up a 4th...but nothing higher!
Then Andy told him he was going to sit, just like he was in the meeting unless some team is willing to overpay for his average play...lol. Not so funny, Miami called shortly after asking if AJ could be had for a 3rd, Andy said no...but you can have AJ 2.0 for a 1st.
Yes...joking. But damn I hope he stays the hell out of Miami!!! He is not worth anything over a 4th round pick. I would not mind giving up a 4th...but nothing higher!
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If the Eagles are willing to let Kolb go for anything less than multiple high picks, they know he isn't a special QB IMO. Reid is too smart to put all his eggs in the Vick basket and Kolb is super cheap insurance.
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I think the people that are buying this Kevin Kolb thing because of Andy Reid's endorsement are taking a blind eye to another key point which is that in any situation where Miami is acquiring Kevin Kolb, they're not just acquiring a guy that Andy Reid ONCE thought highly enough of to start, but also a guy that Andy Reid NOW thinks so lowly of that he's GETTING RID OF HIM.
Michael Vick will be 31 years old next year and he is a running quarterback that takes all kinds of hits on that 6'0" and 215 lbs frame. Andy Reid has been complaining about the hits that Mike Vick regularly takes all year long. He keeps asking the league why, in an era when they have never protected quarterbacks more, do they keep allowing Michael Vick to take such punishment and it goes un-flagged, un-fined. I don't believe it's a conspiracy or bias due to Vick's past (though I wish it was), I think it's just the simple fact that Vick is as dangerous as a ball carrier as he is a passer, and the league doesn't feel it has to protect a guy like that the same way they protect guys that keep their eyes upfield and are more vulnerable to unprotected shots.
Nonetheless, we all saw that double bone-cruncher Vick took from the Redskins that knocked him out a few weeks. That's going to happen a lot, and Vick is going to miss games, if not have an early retirement. Plus, let's face it, Vick is soon to be a free agent, his posse is going to demand an oil tanker full of thousand dollar bills, and the Eagles can't really know how those negotiations are going to go considering Vick's age and the level of punishment he takes, not to mention the CBA and franchise tags, a whole slew of uncertainties.
And amidst all this, people are hypothesizing that Andy Reid is just going to willingly part ways with a 27 year old he drafted and groomed for his system, that he SUPPOSEDLY believes is an awesome starter?
Think about that logic for a moment! It's TOTALLY contradictory!
What, Miami's offer is just going to be THAT good? Doubtful. The same people that want this trade to happen seem to be the same people that are thinking, well not with the #15 pick but some other way maybe...
Contradictions, contradictions, all around us.
So let's say they do sell us Kevin Kolb, for something cheaper than the #15 pick. What does that do to our golden rationale that we should buy Kevin Kolb because Andy Reid likes him? Which Andy Reid? The Andy that once upon a time drafted him in the 2nd round and started him after he sold high on Donovan McNabb? Or are we buying the endorsement of an Andy Reid that is now DUMPING Kevin Kolb at a moment when he could REALLY use him, because Andy knows when to sell high (see: McNabb, Donovan) (see: Feeley, A.J.).
And that's taking aside the fact that I watched three of Kolb's games in 2010 and came away finding it difficult to even give him a 5th round grade if he were to be drafted today. In the games I saw, he did NOT see the field, at all. His receivers were going nuts because they were getting wide open and finding all these spaces between loose zones, and Kolb just kept check-check-check-checking like a bad poker player. I must have counted maybe 1 out of 10 passes going to a WR beyond 5 yards. Plus, he kept backing away from the pocket and running away from it as if he was scared of it. That's never good. He fumbled a few times while carrying the ball. I can forgive fumbling the ball from the pocket while you're half-****ed and looking for someone upfield, a DL manages to swipe you or some such, but fumbling the ball while trying to go all Randall Cunningham on a defense (while running more like Opie Cunningham)? And let me tell you I thought Mark Sanchez could have strings of the worst decision-making I've seen in a guy people consider to be a potential franchise starter, Kevin Kolb's bad decision percentage over a couple of his games this year was ASTRONOMICAL. I mean putting the ball straight into the hands of the defense, if only they were competent enough to take advantage of it. Just not seeing things.
I see this Kevin Kolb potential trade as very similar to the Feeley thing. I know Dave Hyde disagrees with me and I know many of you disagree with me, you think the big difference is that Feeley didn't have Reid's endorsement but Kolb does. Well, I don't buy that, whatever endorsement Reid gave him will have been nullified by the signal he sends by dumping him off and making him some other team's problem. In the end, it's just another Eagles backup quarterback with MEDIOCRE stats, from the SAME West Coast system that Feeley found it difficult to transition from, that even McNabb found it difficult to transition from, and we'd be putting him in a system that doesn't even resemble the West Coast Offense.
Yeah...GREAT idea. Truly stellar! (/sarcasm)
Michael Vick will be 31 years old next year and he is a running quarterback that takes all kinds of hits on that 6'0" and 215 lbs frame. Andy Reid has been complaining about the hits that Mike Vick regularly takes all year long. He keeps asking the league why, in an era when they have never protected quarterbacks more, do they keep allowing Michael Vick to take such punishment and it goes un-flagged, un-fined. I don't believe it's a conspiracy or bias due to Vick's past (though I wish it was), I think it's just the simple fact that Vick is as dangerous as a ball carrier as he is a passer, and the league doesn't feel it has to protect a guy like that the same way they protect guys that keep their eyes upfield and are more vulnerable to unprotected shots.
Nonetheless, we all saw that double bone-cruncher Vick took from the Redskins that knocked him out a few weeks. That's going to happen a lot, and Vick is going to miss games, if not have an early retirement. Plus, let's face it, Vick is soon to be a free agent, his posse is going to demand an oil tanker full of thousand dollar bills, and the Eagles can't really know how those negotiations are going to go considering Vick's age and the level of punishment he takes, not to mention the CBA and franchise tags, a whole slew of uncertainties.
And amidst all this, people are hypothesizing that Andy Reid is just going to willingly part ways with a 27 year old he drafted and groomed for his system, that he SUPPOSEDLY believes is an awesome starter?
Think about that logic for a moment! It's TOTALLY contradictory!
What, Miami's offer is just going to be THAT good? Doubtful. The same people that want this trade to happen seem to be the same people that are thinking, well not with the #15 pick but some other way maybe...
Contradictions, contradictions, all around us.
So let's say they do sell us Kevin Kolb, for something cheaper than the #15 pick. What does that do to our golden rationale that we should buy Kevin Kolb because Andy Reid likes him? Which Andy Reid? The Andy that once upon a time drafted him in the 2nd round and started him after he sold high on Donovan McNabb? Or are we buying the endorsement of an Andy Reid that is now DUMPING Kevin Kolb at a moment when he could REALLY use him, because Andy knows when to sell high (see: McNabb, Donovan) (see: Feeley, A.J.).
And that's taking aside the fact that I watched three of Kolb's games in 2010 and came away finding it difficult to even give him a 5th round grade if he were to be drafted today. In the games I saw, he did NOT see the field, at all. His receivers were going nuts because they were getting wide open and finding all these spaces between loose zones, and Kolb just kept check-check-check-checking like a bad poker player. I must have counted maybe 1 out of 10 passes going to a WR beyond 5 yards. Plus, he kept backing away from the pocket and running away from it as if he was scared of it. That's never good. He fumbled a few times while carrying the ball. I can forgive fumbling the ball from the pocket while you're half-****ed and looking for someone upfield, a DL manages to swipe you or some such, but fumbling the ball while trying to go all Randall Cunningham on a defense (while running more like Opie Cunningham)? And let me tell you I thought Mark Sanchez could have strings of the worst decision-making I've seen in a guy people consider to be a potential franchise starter, Kevin Kolb's bad decision percentage over a couple of his games this year was ASTRONOMICAL. I mean putting the ball straight into the hands of the defense, if only they were competent enough to take advantage of it. Just not seeing things.
I see this Kevin Kolb potential trade as very similar to the Feeley thing. I know Dave Hyde disagrees with me and I know many of you disagree with me, you think the big difference is that Feeley didn't have Reid's endorsement but Kolb does. Well, I don't buy that, whatever endorsement Reid gave him will have been nullified by the signal he sends by dumping him off and making him some other team's problem. In the end, it's just another Eagles backup quarterback with MEDIOCRE stats, from the SAME West Coast system that Feeley found it difficult to transition from, that even McNabb found it difficult to transition from, and we'd be putting him in a system that doesn't even resemble the West Coast Offense.
Yeah...GREAT idea. Truly stellar! (/sarcasm)
The thing about Kolb though is I've seen complete games where's he's looked like a world beater. In fact, 2 or 3 games in a row.
What I've seen from Henne so far is the inability to have a hot hand beyond one quarter, or even one drive. Nine completions in a row, followed by two horrible INTs. A great long pass followed by two wild overthrows and a FG. If you put it all together, every game is just one mediocre performance after another. Kolb get some fantastic games followed by some stinkers.
I don't know exactly what I'm trying to say here, other than Kolb has shown he can win some games single-handledly. Henne has not shown that at all...
What I've seen from Henne so far is the inability to have a hot hand beyond one quarter, or even one drive. Nine completions in a row, followed by two horrible INTs. A great long pass followed by two wild overthrows and a FG. If you put it all together, every game is just one mediocre performance after another. Kolb get some fantastic games followed by some stinkers.
I don't know exactly what I'm trying to say here, other than Kolb has shown he can win some games single-handledly. Henne has not shown that at all...
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I don't think having Maclin and Jackson at wide receiver is winning a game single-handedly.
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Here we go again with a Lame Duck Head Coach....
NYNCDOLFAN
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not if they give up 1st round pick its not..
People say Cam Newton is JaMarcus Russell v2.0 and people get mad and say the only reason that comparison is made is because they're black.
Then those same people say that Kevin Kolb to Miami is the same thing as AJ Feely.
We overpaid Philadelphia for AJ Feeley. If we acquire Kevin Kolb for the rumored asking price, we would be overpaying Philadelphia for Kevin Kolb. IMO that deserves comparision.
retarmyfinfan
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I want to puke right now.
johngarryvo
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not for nothin but the last 'can't miss' qb from Houston ('92) sucked ash... Kolb looks like a Klingler repeat(imo)