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They will both still be at minimum 800 yard receiving Tight Ends with our ****ty quarterbacks. Still a huge upgrade over what we currently have.
Koa Misi may be man without position with Miami Dolphins
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Koa Misi sucks and is a BUST!!!! I wouldn't be surprised if a free agent/rookie takes his spot next year.
We could have draft Sergio Kindle, Daryl Washington, Sean Lee, Brandon Spikes, Pat Angerer... OMG Navarro Bowmen went in the 3rd round (Probowl LB)
We could have draft Sergio Kindle, Daryl Washington, Sean Lee, Brandon Spikes, Pat Angerer... OMG Navarro Bowmen went in the 3rd round (Probowl LB)
Phinatic8u
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Kindle hasn't done damn thing. Angerer is a below average 4-3 LB.
Bowman plays next to Willis, I could play LB next to Willis.
Other 3 I'd love to have
Ok granted we didn't draft those guys, I still believe they are better than Koa Misi who hasn't done anything either.
All these guys were drafted after Koa Misi was the point of my post.
Imagne Sergio Kindle without that season ending head injury or Bowman playing opposite Cameron Wake.
Angerer started and racked up 148 tackles in 2011 and 88 tackles in 2010 (rookie year) when Gary Brackett got hurt.
Koa Misi averages 37 tackles in 2 season with 1 sack in 2011.... str8 garbage for where he was drafted
Every one of the players on your list besides Sergio Kindle (who, despite what you say, is impossible to imagine without his head injury) plays a different position than Koa Misi.
Misi isn't going to be a DE if we move to a 4-3 (and either way his "spot" won't be taken by anyone, it will disappear). He'll be a SLB. Many thought this (or even ILB, after he'd gotten more experience) was his ideal position coming out of college (he played it at the Senior Bowl, and pretty well).
Are you saying Sergio Kindle isn't a better prospect coming out of college than Koa Misi? I never said he was playing DE in the 4-3 and I still don't think he can start at Strong side OLB.
If we drafted Sergio Kindle (or any of those other guys) we could have fit him into the same OLB spot in a 3-4, remember he replaced Brian Orakpo at Texas when the redskins drafted him.
Kindle dropped in the draft ONLY because of off the field issues in his college career.
[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Kindle[/SUP]
In his junior season, Kindle started 11 of the 13 games he appeared in, playing linebacker, defensive end and on special teams. He posted 53 tackles, 10 sacks, 14 TFL, 15 pressures, two PBU, a forced fumble and two fumble recoveries. His performances helped the Longhorns defense rank first in the Big 12 and 18th nationally in terms of points per game and earned Kindle a 2008 All-American honorable mention by Sports Illustrated, as well as first-team All-Big 12 honors by the league's coaches, Austin American-Statesman, Kansas City Star and San Antonio Express-News and second-team All-Big 12 honors by Associated Press, Dallas Morning News, Fort Worth Star-Telegram and Waco Tribune-Herald.
For the 2009 season, Kindle was moved to the defensive end position, replacing Brian Orakpo who was drafted by the Washington Redskins in the 2009 NFL Draft. He was named to the watch lists for the Nagurski Trophy, Bednarik Award and Hendricks Award. During the regular season, Kindle compiled 47 tackles, 3 sacks, 17 TFLs, and 31 QB Hurries.
In the 2010 BCS National Championship Game versus Alabama, Kindle recorded 6 solo tackles and 2.5 sacks.[SUP][7][/SUP]
Not everyone drafted is going to be a stud, or expected to be especially after the 1st round. At times Misi has shown flashes of being a solid contributor. Star player? No. He played DT and DE at Utah so i expected him to struggle for a little in the NFL. Surprisingly though, he's been solid against the run and in coverage. He just hasn't offered much as a pass rusher. Then again, neither has anyone else on this team not named Cam Wake.
And those other LBs you mentioned mean nothing b/c they don't play OLB in a 3-4. It's like comparing Kendall Langford's stats to those of Jason Pierre-Paul b/c they're both DEs.
One more point....how's those 2 supposed "stud" 3-4 OLBs taken in the 1st round of that draft working out? Remember Derrick Morgan and Brandon Graham? I could add Jerry Hughes to that list too but he was drafted by a defense that he just didn't fit into.
My point is Koa Misi was drafted too high and is a BUST, no other way I can say it. Utah is WACK and they don't play real top 25 schools
I still think if we drafted any of those DE/LB hybrid types and put them into the same position they would have played better than Misi, that's just my opinion why not make an argument that Misi is better other than sayin my argument isn't valid.
Derrick Morgon (injured rookie year) opposite Cameron Wake would have been sweet. Jerry Hughes sits behind Freeney and Mathis so what I still want him over Koa Misi. Brandon Graham I wasn't really high on but he was injured alot but I still think he has more talent then Misi.
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Sergio also dropped due to injury concerns (knee)
utahphinsfan
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Thank you & agreed. The transition wasn't going to be an overnight success.
Essentially, All JPP has had to do in his college & early in his NFL career is go get the QB. I would have liked the phins to draft him but there was (drumroll please) the transition process. I have the feeling that transition from 4-3 college DE to 3-4 NFL OLB is not as easy some seem to expect.
Graham & Hughes IMO are situational 4-3 DE's who went to the right teams. In retrospect, Hughes perhaps not so much anymore. It'll be interesting to see what Pagano does in Indy.
You want to talk busts and being drafted too high? Does Alualu w/ the Jaguars ring a bell?
Kindle also dropped because he's an extremely limited athlete. His feet and COD were like those of a defensive tackle, and not even a particularly good one, making him a complete liability at SOLB in a 3-4. He was only really good in a straight line where you could get him heading at the quarterback unimpeded, ala Adalius Thomas. He would be utterly lost as a 4-3 linebacker.
I had Koa Misi ahead of him in that draft and still think him the better player. Certainly the more versatile player.
jlfin
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Some of you (won't name names) believe that the only way to value a LB is if he can rush he passer. You don't give any credit to LB's that are versatile and can play run/pass defense.
Misi is far from a bust.
Misi is far from a bust.
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Hate to break it to you but as someone who watches every game you have it *** backwards. Wake lined up against RT probably 90% of the time and in passing situations he was almost always facing RT because it gives him the best matchup. A quick pass rusher vs a RT. Taylor faced the LT almost everytime. I have no idea what you were watching or if you did watch. If you did watch the games you should try drinking less because your memory sucks. The RT lines up to the right of the QB BTW, just incase that's what has you confused.
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I don't get why some of you guys still want Kindle. He hasn't shown he can even get on the football field let alone make an impact. Misi's production hasn't been what you want from a second rounder but he's still a young player and it's too early to call him a bust.