Lamar Miller 2013 Highlights

[tay0365]

Miller and Moreno should be a nice one two punch for Lazors offense. Anxious to see what he can do with a decent O line opening a hole or two.
Dude definitely has a burst.

Agreed, and the video also proves that even though Miller does not break enough tackles, he is able to do it and has done it.

 

[So Be]

Some seem to be really down on Miller, and believe Moreno is going to be a Huge upgrade. The stats from last year's play from both show that not to be true. A closer look.

Moreno ran 241 times with a YAC per rush at 2.03. Miller ran 177 times with a YAC per rush at 2.06. No difference.

Mareno caused 21 missed tackles. Miller caused 20 missed tackles on 64 fewer runs. Admantage Miller.

Moreno had 60 catches, 8.2 YAC, 14 caused missed tackles, 5 drops. Miller had 26, 7.7 YAC, 3 missed tackles, 1 drop. Overall a draw.

Moreno was #10 in pass protect. Miller was #7 on 50% more pass blocks. Advantage Miller.

I like the Moreno signing and believe he will help our team but, have no idea why some are so down on Miller, who did roughly about the same last year. Consider the different teams if ya like.

Aside from the stats and rankings, I saw Miller struggle in the first half, when he did not look like he was running as hard as he should. I also saw him doing much better in the second half, and the stats bearing that out were for the entire 16 games, not just the bad plays which some seem to focus on.

 

[tay0365]

Sure thing kiddo.

Lamar Miller vs VT 2011
18 carries, 166 yards, 9.2 yds/c, 1 TD
3 rec, 23 yards 1 TD

Ouch:foundout:

 

[Zounds]

What you said was "Miller only gets what yards his OL gives him" which on the runs he bounced outside on the video clearly proved to make your statement inaccurate. Now if you want to say he doesn't do it often enough or have another problem that's fine but he has the ability to get quite a bit more than the OL gives him on certain plays. I think this year after people see him vs Moreno behind the same OL, Miller will start getting more respect.

People want to lay all of Ryan's trouble on the OL, and with reason, but how much more so should they blame the OL with the running game's troubles. Our pass blocking graded out MUCH higher than our run blocking last year.

Serious question: Miller bounced outside twice in a highlight video and you think that makes him a back that fights for yards? he had over 170 snaps last year, and you are focusing on only 2 plays to quantify his abilities? When we are saying a player is good/bad, we are generalizing. Even a bad player is good on some plays, so enough of this acute analysis and start looking at the big picture ability here.

 

[So Be]

Serious question: Miller bounced outside twice in a highlight video and you think that makes him a back that fights for yards? he had over 170 snaps last year, and you are focusing on only 2 plays to quantify his abilities? When we are saying a player is good/bad, we are generalizing. Even a bad player is good on some plays, so enough of this acute analysis and start looking at the big picture ability here.

I'm not a big fan of highlight films, although I do enjoy watching them. I think my post did look at the bigger picture, and Miller does not look bad.

 

[Zounds]

I think my post did look at the bigger picture, and Miller does not look bad.

Your post compared Miller to Moreno. Maybe you are referring to a different post? Anyways, I don't think Moreno is a huge upgrade athletically, but he is the better player because he can block and catch better - he's the more complete back. I still think we need a true 1A RB.

 

[So Be]

Your post compared Miller to Moreno. Maybe you are referring to a different post? Anyways, I don't think Moreno is a huge upgrade athletically, but he is the better player because he can block and catch better - he's the more complete back. I still think we need a true 1A RB.

Agree on a 1A RB, which would be great to have. Don't agree on Moreno blocking and catching better.

 

[FinaticalFinfan]

Miller ran the first 4-5 yards untouched on almost every play in that video. I said he only gets the yards his OL gives him, and I stand by that statement. If you want to call that a "stupid, entirely false comment", well I'd have to seriously question your ability to even break down a flag football game. Having a few nice runs out of 170 carries is not what I expect out of my starting RB.

This IS what you said....

Originally Posted by Zounds
Half of the runs in the video shouldnt be "highlights". How is a 4 or 5 yard run untouched considered a highlight? Miller only gets what yards his OL gives him. He never turns a busted play into a positive one, or creates more yards than the OL gives him. He's a backup RB at best imo.

Now you are doing the classic backpedal....trying to squirm your way out of what you originally stated. In that video that YOU were speaking about...every statement you made about THAT video was false. He did break tackles...he did turn nothing into something...and he did gain more yards than his OL gave him in THAT VIDEO.....the one YOU were speaking of. Now, if you want to change the parameters and include the whole season, fine, then say that....unless you want me to work on my ESP as well.

Instead of worrying about whether or not I can break down a flag football game, you should worry about your reading comprehension.

 

[Zounds]

Now you are doing the classic backpedal....trying to squirm your way out of what you originally stated. In that video that YOU were speaking about...every statement you made about THAT video was false. He did break tackles...he did turn nothing into something...and he did gain more yards than his OL gave him in THAT VIDEO.....the one YOU were speaking of. Now, if you want to change the parameters and include the whole season, fine, then say that....unless you want me to work on my ESP as well.

Instead of worrying about whether or not I can break down a flag football game, you should worry about your reading comprehension.

I know exactly what I said, and if you frequented this site enough, you'd know I'm probably the last person to backpedal out of a position I've taken on a player. I stand by my original statement on Miller - that he's backup caliber RB that only gets the yards his OL gives him.

And I'm not worried about your ability to break down a flag football game - I already know you cant :hump:

 

[FinaticalFinfan]

I know exactly what I said, and if you frequented this site enough, you'd know I'm probably the last person to backpedal out of a position I've taken on a player. I stand by my original statement on Miller - that he's backup caliber RB that only gets the yards his OL gives him.

And I'm not worried about your ability to break down a flag football game - I already know you cant :hump:

Apparently you don't know what you said, you don't know that I frequent these boards daily, and you don't know how to just say you were wrong about what was contained in the video. And now you have gone and told everybody I can't break down flag football.....darn it! And all this coming from a guy who couldn't accurately break down a 4 minute 20 or so play video lmao!

 

[So Be]

Forget the video. The bottom line is that Miller caused 20 missed tackles for the year after only 1 in the first 5 games. this is not great but average. I have no idea how anyone can sort out YAC, as if a RB beaks a tackle or makes a move, he can run for 5, 10, or 20 yards IF there is not a secondary defender or, he can cause a missed tackle and have 2 guys ready to nail him. Bad, and meaningless stat.

 

[Patrick_Bateman]

And his physicality will always be lacking, that's just not his game.. Like I said, it's hard to know what his future will be.

And that's what it is, I don't think he has the makeup to be a featured/premier back. He goes down WAY too easily at the first sign of contact. That said, I like him as a complementary back on our roster.

 

[QFFL]

And that's what it is, I don't think he has the makeup to be a featured/premier back. He goes down WAY too easily at the first sign of contact. That said, I like him as a complementary back on our roster.

Agree. It takes special talents to be a featured back in NFL. Miller could still help the team playing a complementary role.

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Serious question: Miller bounced outside twice in a highlight video and you think that makes him a back that fights for yards? he had over 170 snaps last year, and you are focusing on only 2 plays to quantify his abilities? When we are saying a player is good/bad, we are generalizing. Even a bad player is good on some plays, so enough of this acute analysis and start looking at the big picture ability here.

I think there is more than one way for a RB to be a success in the NFL. I agree Miller is not Marshawn Lynch, and never will be, but he can be a very solid RB in the right system. I'm not saying Miller is going to be a top 5 RB, but he has shown a lot of improvement in pass pro and vision. I stated before and I will say it again I think he will end up with a higher ypc and if he stays healthy more yards than Moreno. I could be wrong, but that is my opinion. I didn't like the Moreno signing and still don't, I see him as very slow to the LOS and has nothing in the "break away" department. I think Miller will be the starter and Moreno the backup by the end of preseason. JMO.

 

[ITS!MATEO]

Good thing this offense will not need a premier back... A 2 or 3 back committee will do. Fresh legs coming in at all times. Beat the D-line to a pulp..