Last holdout... headcase???

[ckparrothead]

how things have changed...

just a few days ago, people here were saying, "to hell with brown.". "we dont need him." "we dont want to pay him a huge contract."

then you sign him and everyone is happy.

now benson is still holding out, and its "headcase", and "we are lucky we didnt get him."

i didnt see any numbers in that article. maybe the bears are just trying to lowball him.

i blame the bears organization. not Benson. i feel bad for him, to be in this situation. cus the only real options for him is to eather sign the low contract, or sit out the season.

Dude, no offense but from your post I think it is obvious that you are not following the Benson case very closely. Nor were you following the Brown case very closely. There were some people that created threads on the board talking smack about Brown's holdout but I dare you to find anyone who talked smack about Brown and now is happy with Brown and talking smack about Benson. Sorry, but they don't exist. Don't confuse a few people with the sentiment of Dolfans everywhere. Generally Dolfans everywhere wanted Brown in camp but were pacified by the intrigue with Ricky Williams and other stuff, and also Dolfans in general sensed that the reason the negotiations were taking a while is because the Dolphins were lowballing Ronnie due to his being a RB.

And as for Benson, I can't speak of the offer that the Bears have on the table because I don't know the figures, but I know for a fact that one MAJOR hangup in negotiations is the fact that his agent wants Benson to be paid more than what is commensurate for the #4 pick in the draft, BECAUSE last year Phil Rivers was paid more than was commensurate for the #4 pick in the draft.

But the reason Rivers was paid higher was because of the strange situation with him being traded for by the team picking #1 in the draft. And even that was a weak argument. Benson's agent is trying to pretend that from here to eternity the #4 pick in the draft should be paid higher than the #3 pick in the draft, because of what happened in ONE draft with Phil Rivers.

He's wrong. Absolutely, positively wrong. There is no basis whatsoever for that argument. If the Bears are lowballing Benson and now taking a firm stance on their low offer it is because Benson's agent FAILED to negotiate in good faith with the Bears, and therefore a normal give and take could not take place.

 

[ch19079]

Easy there, Turbo. Make sure you make it clear who you're addressing because I, for one, didn't say anything during Brown's holdout (I barely ever say anything at all). So kindly specify/direct your observations accordingly and bear in mind that I initiated this thread and (for obvious reasons) see your post as directed toward me personally. If I'm mistaken, cool. Otherwise, please re-direct.

Thanks!

you shouldn't take things so personally. if i had been directing my comments to you, i would have quoted your post.

i just used a small quote from your statement as it was fresh in my memory.

 

[-81- McMichael]

you shouldn't take things so personally. if i had been directing my comments to you, i would have quoted your post.

i just used a small quote from your statement as it was fresh in my memory.

I prefaced that when I said, "If I'm mistaken, cool." But your point is well taken.

PS - I like your chances this year to win the East, as much as it pains me. :tongue:

 

[ckparrothead]

you shouldn't take things so personally. if i had been directing my comments to you, i would have quoted your post.

i just used a small quote from your statement as it was fresh in my memory.

That's like asking a black friend of yours not to take it personally when you speak badly about black people.

You just called out all of dolfandom for being hypocrites about the Brown situation now that he's signed. Any one of us could take that personally. I certainly never took a stance that Brown was selfish and should get into camp etc etc, and I am one of the people calling out Benson for being a wimpy idiot.

 

[ch19079]

Dude, no offense but from your post I think it is obvious that you are not following the Benson case very closely. Nor were you following the Brown case very closely. There were some people that created threads on the board talking smack about Brown's holdout but I dare you to find anyone who talked smack about Brown and now is happy with Brown and talking smack about Benson. Sorry, but they don't exist. Don't confuse a few people with the sentiment of Dolfans everywhere. Generally Dolfans everywhere wanted Brown in camp but were pacified by the intrigue with Ricky Williams and other stuff, and also Dolfans in general sensed that the reason the negotiations were taking a while is because the Dolphins were lowballing Ronnie due to his being a RB.

And as for Benson, I can't speak of the offer that the Bears have on the table because I don't know the figures, but I know for a fact that one MAJOR hangup in negotiations is the fact that his agent wants Benson to be paid more than what is commensurate for the #4 pick in the draft, BECAUSE last year Phil Rivers was paid more than was commensurate for the #4 pick in the draft.

But the reason Rivers was paid higher was because of the strange situation with him being traded for by the team picking #1 in the draft. And even that was a weak argument. Benson's agent is trying to pretend that from here to eternity the #4 pick in the draft should be paid higher than the #3 pick in the draft, because of what happened in ONE draft with Phil Rivers.

He's wrong. Absolutely, positively wrong. There is no basis whatsoever for that argument. If the Bears are lowballing Benson and now taking a firm stance on their low offer it is because Benson's agent FAILED to negotiate in good faith with the Bears, and therefore a normal give and take could not take place.

1) thanks for the info on the benson holdout. i only read what was posted in the original post of this thread. but i also think i said, that i didnt know any numbers, as they were not given in the link, and there was no other info availble.

2) while i didnt follow the benson holdout, i did follow the Brown holdout. and came to this site several times during that time. i was even one of the people defending brown. i dont know about how many people actually felt one way or another, i only can go by the number of posts, and topics given by people on this site. and i remember SEVERAL posts which included comments negative to brown. calling him greedy, and a mistake, and the fins should not pay him.... if this was the minoritys opinion, it didnt seem like it. as that was the majority of the posts. now the majority of the posts here are positive twords brown. hes a great runner, personallity, and so on. a big U-turn. though i will say that while the majority seemed negative to brown, there were also several defenders of brown. though they were the minority.

now it seems, that people are saying negative things about benson. and the info i got from the article, made it sound like the team was at fault. i found that simmilar to the fin/brown situation and fin fan's opinions on the matter.

3) i dont remember peoples names. its that simple. i dont remember who said something 2 hours ago, much less 2 weeks ago. but i do remember what was said. so dont take anything i say personally cus honestly, i dont even remember who said what.

 

[ch19079]

That's like asking a black friend of yours not to take it personally when you speak badly about black people.

You just called out all of dolfandom for being hypocrites about the Brown situation now that he's signed. Any one of us could take that personally. I certainly never took a stance that Brown was selfish and should get into camp etc etc, and I am one of the people calling out Benson for being a wimpy idiot.

um... no. not really the same thing. if you want to think of all fin fans as "black people" and me as the white guy saying negative things about "black people", i think thats a BAD way to look at it. i may hate the fins, but you cant really equate that to a race thing.

and while i did basically say the majority of the fin fans here were being hypocritical, i believe i gave a good reason for it.

and while i dont keep track of each posters stance on things on a day to day basis, i do notice when the majority of posters take one stance, only to completly change that stance the next day.

also, are you calling benson a "wimpy idiot" for his holdout, or crying when drafted?

 

[Roman529]

It doesnt sound like Bear's fan are gonna confuse Cedric with Walter Payton or Gale Sayers. My friend is a big Bear's fan....man they always suck...with the exception of 1985.

 

[ch19079]

It doesnt sound like Bear's fan are gonna confuse Cedric with Walter Payton or Gale Sayers. My friend is a big Bear's fan....man they always suck...with the exception of 1985.

i got a friend who is a big bears fan. he rooms with a big dolphin fan. they both live across the way from me, a big bills fan, and my roommate is a HUGE giants fan.

sundays are very interesting. :D
though i do feel bad for bears' fans.

 

[ch19079]

I prefaced that when I said,
PS - I like your chances this year to win the East, as much as it pains me. :tongue:

your saying that just to confuse me arnt you.

:huh:

 

[Roman529]

i got a friend who is a big bears fan. he rooms with a big dolphin fan. they both live across the way from me, a big bills fan, and my roommate is a HUGE giants fan.

sundays are very interesting. :D
though i do feel bad for bears' fans.

Which fans have it worse?,,,,,Bears fans, or Saints fans??? :D

 

[-81- McMichael]

i got a friend who is a big bears fan. he rooms with a big dolphin fan. they both live across the way from me, a big bills fan, and my roommate is a HUGE giants fan.

sundays are very interesting. :D
though i do feel bad for bears' fans.

man, there sure a lot of BIG/HUGE people in your area.

you sure you don't live in ohio? (largest concentration of fat a$$es in the country).

 

[ch19079]

man, there sure a lot of BIG/HUGE people in your area.

you sure you don't live in ohio? (largest concentration of fat a$$es in the country).

raleigh, NC. and only the giants fan is HUGE. i hear the phrase "wide right" so many times, its not even funny.

 

[-81- McMichael]

your saying that just to confuse me arnt you.

:huh:

seriously, if your team stays healthy and jp shows himself to be even average... it's between you and new england.

bills have d and excellent skills-position players. however, two of those players (rb and wr) have had MAJOR knee surgeries. hence, the "if your team stays healthy."

ps - i hate the bills as much as you probably hate the 'fins but i'm sure we both hate the jets more! :rofl3:

 

[inFINSible]

um... no. not really the same thing. if you want to think of all fin fans as "black people" and me as the white guy saying negative things about "black people", i think thats a BAD way to look at it. i may hate the fins, but you cant really equate that to a race thing.

and while i did basically say the majority of the fin fans here were being hypocritical, i believe i gave a good reason for it.

and while i dont keep track of each posters stance on things on a day to day basis, i do notice when the majority of posters take one stance, only to completly change that stance the next day.

also, are you calling benson a "wimpy idiot" for his holdout, or crying when drafted?

you are wrong and you're making yourself look like a fool trying to justify your actions.

There are over 1500 people a day visiting this site and I guarantee you can't dig up 20 names that are being hypocrites right now....You MOST DEFINATELY can't say the majority of Phin fans are hypocrites.....You could say a very small minority are hypocrites and no one would bat an eyelash but, your blatant exaggerattion has turned into a lie, and you're standing there with your keyboard in your mouth.

 

[ch19079]

Which fans have it worse?,,,,,Bears fans, or Saints fans??? :D

bears. they loose through out the season.
and now there QB is hurt again. :shakeno:

the saints atleast have the first half of the season to be happy. they wait till the end of the season to blow it.