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Legitimate Question for those who take this serious:

I want to know, exactly, what the power structure is before I can make any comment on it or Ross or the organization. Describe to me the setup because there are lots of things the media blows out of proportion that to me are nothing out of the ordinary. For example...getting up from the lunch table when another player sits down is now considered bullying...and I think it's funny.

I declare I am being bullied by Spesh. He is calling me a rice dick. I couldnt do my job today. It was on my conscience all day long. I fuked up all day then got demoted. all in one day!

love you spesh! call you later.

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As all this news and blatant attacks continue to be fired at the Dolphins Organization what do you think is going through the mind of Joe Philbin, Stephen Ross and Dawn Aponte? I mean sure they can dismiss it as "media nonsense" but at the same time they (especially Ross) has to be sick and tired of being the medias proverbial punching bag..

If I was Ross I say screw it and hire Tom Gamble giving him full authority to do whatever the hell he wants, including chopping Philbin and Aponte.

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Think about it, what the hell has Philbin and Aponte done to merit being defended and protected to the point of missing out on top notch talent? You can spew off all the nonsense you want about how Philbin "Has a plan" and how Aponte is "sooooo good with numbers" but at the end of the day the only plans and numbers that matter are the number of wins at the end of the season...

I told you all the answer.....get the frick out of that town!
 
I think those who 'report' about some 'secret' power structure should tell us what they are talking about. That goes for fans as well. It is basically just a hit job from a couple of 'reporters' which went viral. And that is the next problem: any 2-cent blogger calls themselves 'journalist', 'reporter', 'beatwriter' etc. The internet and social media enabled them to get 'their word' out.

What can Ross and Co do about it? Nothing. Those who believe knuckleheads like Armando, Jason and Co will continue to do so. Why? Because their message (disregarding that these messages are based on speculation) complies with their own view. It doesn't matter what Ross and Co would say. The same crap will continue.

But look at your very own quote

Has anybody from the Dolphins ever said anything to the contrary? The opinion by some that Ross would not give the new GM the full authority is part of those who continuously slander Aponte because she won a power struggle with Ireland. Forgotten is that Ireland was on our **** list for the past 4 years. Those few who stood behind Ireland have to make a case. His record is definitely not something they can promote so they take the next best thing which is/was his corporate 'enemy': Dawn Aponte.

I have yet to hear from the Dolphins that the 'secret' structure is set up to make her the Saint of the Dolphins with allmighty powers.

It is so bad that even Barry Jackson's comments about the search for a team player is being degraded into something horrible. Your GM has to be a team player. A GM has to work with the coaching staff and with the capologists. There is no way around it. That does not diminish the authority of a GM. The best GMs in the business are known to be people persons and team players. But we can always go back to a non-teamplayer like Ireland who trashes his coach in front of other people and then whines when word gets back to the coach he back stabbed. Or a GM (Ireland) who calls a fan an asshole.

It is what it is. Nothing Ross and Co can do about until they hire a new GM. But I doubt it will be over then.

I dont have to defend Jeff Ireland for sheet! He is gone. end of story.

But if you think that Aponte is just someone who won a battle.....in the words of Rob Halford....Youve got another thing comin!
 
How do you think this affects Philbins mindset knowing that everyone views him as a lame duck? How do you think it effects Aponte's mindset knowing that everyone thinks she is the root of the problem? These are fair and important questions that need to be reasonably answered!

I think Philbin is smart enough to know if he doesn't win now and win a lot his job is not secure, it never was and never will be. He knew it back in April too when he was pounding the table to get Brandon Albert in here. Ireland, on the other hand, was clueless.
 
Beat writer, nationally recognized or basic fan behind his computer screen.. At the end of the day everyone seems to be crapping all over Ross and his "power structure". My point is that certainly Ross and Co. including his "committee" of Dungy, Martin etc have to be fully aware of the fact that literally everyone on every level is stoning this organization and its approach. My question is how do you think Ross and Co. view this media and fan outlash and do you think that he will cave under the pressure and hire a GM giving him full authority that a well respected GM should have?

And this is my problem with everyone. How the hell do we know he's not giving the GM full power and final say???? This crap of killing Ross and the structure cracks me up. It's all opinions and everyone has one I guess, but I hate the journalists and the posters here who act like they know what's going on behind closed doors
 
And this is my problem with everyone. How the hell do we know he's not giving the GM full power and final say???? This crap of killing Ross and the structure cracks me up. It's all opinions and everyone has one I guess, but I hate the journalists and the posters here who act like they know what's going on behind closed doors

If Ross was in fact willing to give the right candidate full power, and given the recent outlash by the fans and media calling for said power, don't you think that Ross would come out and say "Yes full power will be offered to the right candidate"? Sure Ross doesn't have to cave in and tell the media or any of us anything but why wouldn't he? He is in the business of trying to sell seats in his stadium is he? This all screams of Ross just not wanting to get rid of Philbin and Aponte which is just flat out stupid and I surmise that next seasons ticket sales will reflect his stupidity..
 
Beat writer, nationally recognized or basic fan behind his computer screen.. At the end of the day everyone seems to be crapping all over Ross and his "power structure". My point is that certainly Ross and Co. including his "committee" of Dungy, Martin etc have to be fully aware of the fact that literally everyone on every level is stoning this organization and its approach. My question is how do you think Ross and Co. view this media and fan outlash and do you think that he will cave under the pressure and hire a GM giving him full authority that a well respected GM should have?

Seems like most of the 'stoning' and 'outlash' mostly comes from this site ;)
 
If Ross was in fact willing to give the right candidate full power, and given the recent outlash by the fans and media calling for said power, don't you think that Ross would come out and say "Yes full power will be offered to the right candidate"? Sure Ross doesn't have to cave in and tell the media or any of us anything but why wouldn't he? He is in the business of trying to sell seats in his stadium is he? This all screams of Ross just not wanting to get rid of Philbin and Aponte which is just flat out stupid and I surmise that next seasons ticket sales will reflect his stupidity..

Well....I guess you can start apologizing to Mr Ross right now. Read his statement. Just what I thought
 
He probably doesn't even know what's going on.

He's busy making billion dollar real estate deals. In reality, that's the biggest problem this organization has: the owner is an absentee.

I disagree. He is involved during the offseason. He makes decisions about his management team, and he lets them run the business. I like that!! The worst thing is an owner that thinks he is a GM. Ross deserves some credit for his approach.
 
I just do not understand all of this hatred being spewed towards the Dolphins. Why does the media hate us so much. I just can't take it anymore. We are a proud franchise that plays in great weather. To be honest we are in great cap shape and are one solid draft away from being a playoff team. We have a solid young nucleus to build around. There are at least a dozen teams in the league that are in a much more miserable situation than we are. you'd think we are the Buffalo Bills the way we are being slammed. Last time the Bills made the playoffs was like 14 or 15 years ago and guess who sent their sorry ass's packing, the Miami Dolphins. i can't wait till we prove this morons wrong.
 
The mediaknows base have no idea what ross is doing. Just like media and fan base jumped on Jonathan Martins corner initially. Armando and Jason Cole say GM position isnt coveted; Jeff Darlington says it is. Come to find out it is coveted. No one knows. Enjoy the ride, everyone.
 
Stephen Ross doesn't like the negative publicity (probably vitriolic stuff coming from Armando, Florio, Cole, Beasley, et al because their lifeline of information, has just left the building) but the immediate task is to find someone good who can work well with his leaders. Note that Ross is the 2nd wealthiest owner in the NFL (behind Bill Gates' Microsoft partner, Paul Allen at Seattle). Ross is the biggest real estate developer in New York City and it may surprise many on here, but he is used to getting what he wants. He paid $1.1 Billion for the team and is progressively learning how to be a good owner. But make no mistake, this is first and foremost a business and he is used to business success and he wants to achieve the on-field improvement badly in Miami.

My read is that he has a high level of trust in Dawn Aponte and he genuinely believes that Joe Philbin made some progress this season, (until the wheels fell off for the two final games), but Joe has deserved at least the opportunity for another year, particularly after the great way he handled the J-Mart/Incognito implosion and kept the team focused. Stephen Ross seems comfortable that Aponte control the negotiations with agents and she appears to excel in this capacity. Make no mistake, Aponte is a major player. She was recruited to Miami by Bill Parcells and has degrees in law, finance and accounting. She is a CPA and has a juris doctorate degree and is a member of the Bar in New York and don't be confused because she's female. To dismiss her as just the bean counter is wrong. She is a major player and she is tough. She also works well with Philbin.

The major thing missing is an improvement in the player evaluation component of the equation. Ireland was better than some previous GMs but still had the inclination to blow huge money on big busts (Philip Wheeler, $26M - $13M guaranteed, cough) and yet for all of the Offensive line players bought, poor results on the field continued. In contrast, frugal teams like Cincinatti have steadily improved their roster without a litany of 2nd round draft busts and big $ investments by being better player evaluators.

OK a list of the best GM prospects has been prepared and they will be interviewed. All we need is for a good candidate to emerge who can work effectively with Philbin and Aponte. Where some GMs have control of the purse strings, Miami has Aponte and she excels in this capacity. Basically all of the candidates named to date, are seeking a promotion. Their expertise is in player evaluation. Effectively, they are seeking the opportunity to take a step up the ladder, and that's all we need. Let's just find the best who can work well with Joe and Dawn.

As for the hammering in the media, I doubt that this is foremost in Ross' mind. He just wants to get the right person in the GM role and strengthen the player evaluation part of the equation. I see three possible organization structure scenarios.
(a) Aponte, Philbin and GM at same level reporting directly to Ross
(b) Appointment of a Dolphin Football Czar, with GM, Aponte and Philbin reporting to the Czar, who reports to Ross. Because so much of Ross' time is spent doing business in New York he wants somebody based in Miami who understands football to be his eyes and ears in the Davie building.
(c) Dawn Aponte becomes effectively the Czarina and maintains control of the purse strings and is Ross' eyes and ears, with Philbin and the GM reporting to her.
 
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Stephen Ross doesn't like the negative publicity (probably vitriolic stuff coming from Armando, Florio, Cole, Beasley, et al because their lifeline of information, has just left the building) but the immediate task is to find someone good who can work well with his leaders. Note that Ross is the 2nd wealthiest owner in the NFL (behind Bill Gates' Microsoft partner, Paul Allen at Seattle). Ross is the biggest real estate developer in New York City and it may surprise many on here, but he is used to getting what he wants. He paid $1.1 Billion for the team and is progressively learning how to be a good owner. But make no mistake, this is first and foremost a business and he is used to business success and he wants to achieve the on-field improvement badly in Miami.

My read is that he has a high level of trust in Dawn Aponte and he genuinely believes that Joe Philbin made some progress this season, (until the wheels fell off for the two final games), but Joe has deserved at least the opportunity for another year, particularly after the great way he handled the J-Mart/Incognito implosion and kept the team focused. Stephen Ross seems comfortable that Aponte control the negotiations with agents and she appears to excel in this capacity. Make no mistake, Aponte is a major player. She was recruited to Miami by Bill Parcells and has degrees in law, finance and accounting. She is a CPA and has a juris doctorate degree and is a member of the Bar in New York and don't be confused because she's female. To dismiss her as just the bean counter is wrong. She is a major player and she is tough. She also works well with Philbin.

The major thing missing is an improvement in the player evaluation component of the equation. Ireland was better than some previous GMs but still had the inclination to blow huge money on big busts (Philip Wheeler, $26M - $13M guaranteed, cough) and yet for all of the Offensive line players bought, poor results on the field continued. In contrast, frugal teams like Cincinatti have steadily improved their roster without a litany of 2nd round draft busts and big $ investments by being better player evaluators.

OK a list of the best GM prospects has been prepared and they will be interviewed. All we need is for a good candidate to emerge who can work effectively with Philbin and Aponte. Where some GMs have control of the purse strings, Miami has Aponte and she excels in this capacity. Basically all of the candidates named to date, are seeking a promotion. Their expertise is in player evaluation. Effectively, they are seeking the opportunity to take a step up the ladder, and that's all we need. Let's just find the best who can work well with Joe and Dawn.

As for the hammering in the media, I doubt that this is foremost in Ross' mind. He just wants to get the right person in the GM role and strengthen the player evaluation part of the equation. I see three possible organization structure scenarios.
(a) Aponte, Philbin and GM at same level reporting directly to Ross
(b) Appointment of a Dolphin Football Czar, with GM, Aponte and Philbin reporting to the Czar, who reports to Ross. Because so much of Ross' time is spent doing business in New York he wants somebody based in Miami who understands football to be his eyes and ears in the Davie building.
(c) Dawn Aponte becomes effectively the Czarina and maintains control of the purse strings and is Ross' eyes and ears, with Philbin and the GM reporting to her.

SpikeTex; excellent post and I wanted to give you a couple of thumbs up; however you contradict yourself. I agree Aponte is an Excellent Capologist, then you say " Ireland was better than some previous GMs but still had the inclination to blow huge money on big busts (Philip Wheeler, $26M - $13M guaranteed, cough)". My question is who gave Phillip Wheeler the outrageous contract, was it Ireland going over Aponte, or Aponte? Not trying to start an argument, just wondering?
 
Well....I guess you can start apologizing to Mr Ross right now. Read his statement. Just what I thought

Funny thing is Ross is gaving full power to the next GM to STAY in his lane. But he does not have full power over the other two power brokers.
So does he have real power? No
 
He probably doesn't even know what's going on.

He's busy making billion dollar real estate deals. In reality, that's the biggest problem this organization has: the owner is an absentee.

Disagree with your post- love your new avatar.
 
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