Linehan makes me sick

[dolfanmark]

Let's just hope Gus can turn things around and start playing like he did the last 2 seasons under inehan.

Yes, I hope he plays just like he did last season for Linehan. 0 completions on 1 pass attempt.

 

[CrunchTime]

Kind of makes you wonder if there ever really was a QB competition. AJ has steadily improved all preseason, while Gus seems to have gotten worse each game. Generally when there is a true competition for a spot, the guy who plays better ends up being the starter. I think Linehan had Gus marked down as his starter from the beginning. Let's just hope Gus can turn things around and start playing like he did the last 2 seasons under inehan.

We will see who starts Thursday.IMO it will the player who had the best practices this week.Feeley deserves a shot with the first team and I hope he gets it.

Having said that I trust Saban and Linehan to make the right decision.They are the experts and they see these guys every day.

 

[NJFinFury2004]

Listen to his press conference.... He speaks as though Gus is the next Peyton Manning...... stats dont matter, QB rating doesnt matter, Gus is "exactly where we want him to be".... only one bad decision with the INT..... OH COME ON! Just say it Scott, Feeley is better than your man from minnesota!

Gus throws a nice deep ball. No he hasn't been as accurate as we all had hoped, but he can keep a defense honest and open up some room for the running game. You can't really judge him on his PCT right now, if he can make 3 or 4 big plays per game and stay around 55pct, that would be GREAT.

We had quite a few drops the other night also. If you factor those in, he did a nice job throwing the long ball. I think with time he will become more accurate. Do I think he is a top starter in the NFL? No I don't, but I think he can give us a decent year and be more effective than Jay Fumbler was because of his arm.

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Gus is going to start on Sep. 11. When the OC makes excuses for the 1st string QB's below average performance, you know he has already been chosen as the starter.

I really don't think it is THAT important who starts. Both are gonna get some playing time in the first half of the season. I for one am not a AJ supporter, but it could work out best for him to continue to learn the system and what it takes to learn more about the vertical game that is trying to be installed and then if Gus does not do great, they may take the open date to work with AJ to take over starting with week 5. This would also make him look good b/c that will be the same week RW comes back. We will see either way, but if I am sure of anything about our QB situation, it is that neither will start all year.

 

[dolfanmark]

Gus throws a nice deep ball. No he hasn't been as accurate as we all had hoped, but he can keep a defense honest and open up some room for the running game. You can't really judge him on his PCT right now, if he can make 3 or 4 big plays per game and stay around 55pct, that would be GREAT.

We had quite a few drops the other night also. If you factor those in, he did a nice job throwing the long ball. I think with time he will become more accurate. Do I think he is a top starter in the NFL? No I don't, but I think he can give us a decent year and be more effective than Jay Fumbler was because of his arm.

I would disagree. His deep ball is too much on a line. Given how inaccurate he is, he needs to put more air under the ball to give the WR a chance. You can throw the ball on a line, as long as you are accurate, but he's not.

For what it's worth:
Jay Fiedler, career QB rating of 76.9, career completion % of 58.7
Gus Frerotte, career Qb rating of 76.1, career completion % of 54.6

I don't know why people are so enamored with Frerotte. He sucks. He's always sucked. And he's 34, so he's not going to get better. He has a better arm than Fiedler, but he's less accurate, and he's not as good a runner as Fiedler was. It's six of one, half dozen of another. He's not an upgrade over Fiedler, he just has different flaws. They are both guys who make decent backups but lousy starters.

 

[DolphinPhan]

I don't think we have a true playoff winning caliber QB on our team. BUT! What do you expect the coaching staff to do? They need to support the players they have, not bash them. Bashing them is our job. The coaches need to support them. I'm 100% sure they are looking at all posibilities of improving EVERY position on the field. It's not something they can do overnight. In one off-season they've put together one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL and, except for the defensive backfield, improved pretty muchly all areas of the team. They've also added alot of fire back to the players. I'm very happy with the improvement so far. We got so spoiled with Dan Marino that we never realized how difficult it is to find a good, not to mention great, QB.


In closing....Let's let the coaches support their players!!!

 

[Dolphin1184]

Newsflash: Scott Linehan many, many, MANY times more qualified then you to comment on the situation.

:clap:

 

[NJFinFury2004]

I would disagree. His deep ball is too much on a line. Given how inaccurate he is, he needs to put more air under the ball to give the WR a chance. You can throw the ball on a line, as long as you are accurate, but he's not.

For what it's worth:
Jay Fiedler, career QB rating of 76.9, career completion % of 58.7
Gus Frerotte, career Qb rating of 76.1, career completion % of 54.6

I don't know why people are so enamored with Frerotte. He sucks. He's always sucked. And he's 34, so he's not going to get better. He has a better arm than Fiedler, but he's less accurate, and he's not as good a runner as Fiedler was. It's six of one, half dozen of another. He's not an upgrade over Fiedler, he just has different flaws. They are both guys who make decent backups but lousy starters.

And this is where we will agree we disagree. Jay Fumbler couldn't throw the ball deep, this we all know. You can't just throw PCT out there when Gus can and will keep a D honest because of his ARM STRENGTH, 34 or not, the guy can throw the football. I seen a few good deep ones that were simply dropped by the WR'S. He can't be to blame for this, can he? And by putting more AIR under it, I hope you don't mean the floaters that Jay Fumbler had picked off time and time again.

Gus is a better fit for this offense than Jay is.

 

[flintsilver7]

As it stands now, Frerotte's rating is at 59.7, and Feeley's is at 74.6. That's a marked difference, and definitely an improvement for Feeley.

I will not entertain any garbage about first team / second team. It generally evens out. Unless a quarterback is playing with first teamers against second teamers, he will not look better. He is playing against a pass rush that is generally not crushing, and the pass coverage is less than stellar. However, his offensive linemen are not overpowering, and his wide receivers are not the best route runners, not the fastest guys, and certainly don't have the best hands. That might actually make it more difficult on the quarterback.

Frerotte is garbage, and I've been saying it all along. Perhaps the best one-line description of Frerotte is the first thing I thought of when he was signed - "He's like Jay Fiedler, only worse." Sure, he throws the deep ball. I don't care if he throws the ball 90 yards downfield, because he's inaccurate. *I* can get out there and heave the ball past wide-open receivers - that's not that difficult. Feeley's interception could partly be blamed on Newson not even making an attempt at the ball, while Frerotte's cannot.

Frerotte was handed the keys to the offense, and has done nothing with it. Feeley has been given the shaft from the start, and he's done more than his share to earn a chance to start. Especially since his 3-5 record last year with our comically incompetent team meant nothing - as well as beating the then two-time Super Bowl champs.

I'll say this again - if Frerotte is the starter, then there never was a competition. Saban and Linehan might as well become synonymous with cronyism, since Frerotte's abysmal performance warrants more than a "wink and a nudge" response from Linehan.

The fact is, Frerotte does NOT give us the best chance to win, and if he starts he will prove that. Linehan gets too much credit for what happened in Minnesota. When you've got an outstanding offensive line with Culpepper and Moss, it's got to be difficult to do poorly.

 

[finfan54]

Can't handle the truth huh? Fact is, they don't trust Feeley to not make mistakes that cost you dearly. That is why we are going long. If you get an Int on a long pass, its like a punt.

 

[NJFinFury2004]

Not true at all. In Feeley's one start, he was 4 for 7 for 35 yards. He had one pass dropped by Derrius Thompson that would have been a 20 yard gain, and would have put us in scoring position. And they tried to run a screen on another play, but the defense blew up Ricky, so there was nowhere to go with the ball, and he threw it into the ground. So, on 6 legitimate pass attempts, he should have had 5 completions for over 50 yards. Feeley played well that first game. Since Frerotte has been the starter, in 3 games, he is completing 38.5% of his passes. I don't care about pocket presence, or knowledge of a particular system. A 38.5% completion percentage is not going to keep the chains moving, and it's not going to result in points.

This is a good statement and I agree. But, AJ always looks so lost and he looks down his WR, has he been better with that?

 

[flintsilver7]

This is a good statement and I agree. But, AJ always looks so lost and he looks down his WR, has he been better with that?

Yes, he has, and perhaps more to the point Gus has been as bad if not worse with staring down his receivers.

 

[finfan54]

As it stands now, Frerotte's rating is at 59.7, and Feeley's is at 74.6. That's a marked difference, and definitely an improvement for Feeley.

I will not entertain any garbage about first team / second team. It generally evens out. Unless a quarterback is playing with first teamers against second teamers, he will not look better. He is playing against a pass rush that is generally not crushing, and the pass coverage is less than stellar. However, his offensive linemen are not overpowering, and his wide receivers are not the best route runners, not the fastest guys, and certainly don't have the best hands. That might actually make it more difficult on the quarterback.

Frerotte is garbage, and I've been saying it all along. Perhaps the best one-line description of Frerotte is the first thing I thought of when he was signed - "He's like Jay Fiedler, only worse." Sure, he throws the deep ball. I don't care if he throws the ball 90 yards downfield, because he's inaccurate. *I* can get out there and heave the ball past wide-open receivers - that's not that difficult. Feeley's interception could partly be blamed on Newson not even making an attempt at the ball, while Frerotte's cannot.

Frerotte was handed the keys to the offense, and has done nothing with it. Feeley has been given the shaft from the start, and he's done more than his share to earn a chance to start. Especially since his 3-5 record last year with our comically incompetent team meant nothing - as well as beating the then two-time Super Bowl champs.

I'll say this again - if Frerotte is the starter, then there never was a competition. Saban and Linehan might as well become synonymous with cronyism, since Frerotte's abysmal performance warrants more than a "wink and a nudge" response from Linehan.

The fact is, Frerotte does NOT give us the best chance to win, and if he starts he will prove that. Linehan gets too much credit for what happened in Minnesota. When you've got an outstanding offensive line with Culpepper and Moss, it's got to be difficult to do poorly.

Well, I think they should start Feeley for this next game and then that arguement about second team yadda yadda yadda will end. But anyone with any brains can figure out that most first team defenses like Pitt and Jax are very tough. You get into the second string and its a huge jump off in talent and knowledge of execution. It does not take an engineer to figure that out. If the make Feeley the starter, then he screws up with costly Int's, then they will regret there original decision. And we all know that Saban wants to do it right the first time.

 

[flintsilver7]

Can't handle the truth huh? Fact is, they don't trust Feeley to not make mistakes that cost you dearly. That is why we are going long. If you get an Int on a long pass, its like a punt.

Maybe on third down, but it's by no means acceptable. If you have to throw an interception, you want it to be as far downfield as possible. There's certainly something to be said in that short accuracy is preferable to inaccuracy on already low-percentage passes.

 

[finfan54]

Yes, he has, and perhaps more to the point Gus has been as bad if not worse with staring down his receivers.

Gus has had to stick in the pocket longer to throw much longer passes way more than Feeley has been throwing. Which means at least he has gotten away from the blitz well and gotten rid of the ball. You still cannot honestly say that about Feeley when his abilities have been covered up with short stuff and two step drop stuff.