linehan's system/qb breakdown

[touborg]

in response to thedayafter....
I have yet to read anything substancial that backs this position. In fact more published information gives Frerotte the clean advantage.

just because you haven't read it means it hasn't been said? the only thing that really matters is what saban says and he has not given frerotte the "clean advantage."

Obviously, being handed the starting job for now is not a clear advantage to you.

Frerotte demonstrated the ability to produce when given the opportunity and some of that production was exceptional.

yep, 2 years ago he started games against detroit and san fransisco and had a career game vs the 49ers. put all your eggs in that basket for sure.

Don't forget he went to the Pro Bowl aswell.

I'd rather put my eggs in that basket because contrary to Feeley, a career backup, he's done something in this league.

Again your position is flawed as you presume Frerotte has not progressed.

i'm not presuming anything. im analyzing the fact that that he has been in the league for 12 years and has a career passer rating of 76, a 2004 preseason passer rating of 75 (no regular season stats to go on) and 74 rating so far in 2005. call it what you preceive it to be, but that is not progression.

I won't argue here. I honestly don't believe we have a single good QB on our roster. All I want is the most competent caretaker till next years draft, and right now, that's Gus.

But now that we are talking progression, the only progression Feeley has made is move from 3rd stringer to 2nd stringer, which isn't much in my book.

The practical thing to do for the offense was to bring in Frerotte as a proven producer.

again, career passer rating of 76. career completions under 55%. career td/int ratio of 1.16/1. the only thing that is proven about that production is it sucks.

Again, better than anything Feely has accomplished, and will accomplish in his entire career. He backed up in college (or lost the starting job if you will), he backed up in Philly, he backed up Fiedler and right now he's backing up a player you think is horrible.

Frerotte clearly proved to be better at running the offense.

so clear, that again saban has not named him the starter 3 days before the game, and says the competition is very close and a "day to day" thing.

Actually the combined game stats show that Frerotte produces more than Feeley, but let's leave that. Saban has no reason to close the competition, that would be stupid. Frerotte looks like the starter and runs with the first team, and if Feeley performs well, he's left the door open.

 

[Jimmy James]

You know what I think this might come down to? Risk.

Frankly, I favored Fiedler last year for the same reasons I'm now ready to say I favor Gus -- I know what he is capable of. I hoped AJ would take the chance to outperform, but I don't want to give him the job on faith because I don't want to roll the dice. I'm averse to that risk. While this team may never go to the playoffs with Gus at the helm, a caretaker QB can at least help the offense get to a point where the next guy can build from say the 3rd floor instead of the ground floor because the rest of the pieces will be functional and he'll just be charged with catching up. Given a chance, many of you are saying AJ might be better. What I'm afraid of is that given a chance, he's going to be terrible and that Gus then comes in, there's a controversy, and nothing gets accomplished this year to further the offense.

 

[VManis]

OK. Lets look at this in a deeper sense.

Everybody on the team is learning a new system. Right? Yes, we all can agree on one thing!! Good start!

To effectively teach a system you need people that know the system right? OK we agree on 2 things.

Gus knows the system and AJ does not yet! 3 Things.

If we want the players on the field to learn the system effectively, we need a guy that knows what he is doing out there. Gus brings that to the table. He helps every starter on the team to understand their role and positon within the system. Gus is obviously hitting receivers in practice, and that is aiding in the learning process. Now for the most improvement possible, we need him in there helping all those around him everyday in practice. Once they start to all get familiar w/ everything w/in the sys. they will all get better and that includes Gus connecting w/ wrs' in the game.

If Gus struggles early in the season, say 3 weeks or so, I say let's take a shot w/ Feeley. In that senario we would have little to lose. That is a worst case senario. If we end up struggling all year and are a 4-12ish team again, we will not be able to attract the FA's that could help a team move forward. Alla the last few years. A team that has shown some improvement in the first year of a new system and has a load of talent will become a hot place to be alla GB when Reggie went there. The new regime was in house and showing promise. Then the FA's started going there. We need every win we can get.

I completely agree. But I think Saban's plan maybe to let the rest of the team get comfortable with the system with Gus as a tutor. Then when there is a reasonable supporting cast in place, turn over the reins to AJ as he is the best prospect of a long term solution. No sense throwing him into the deep in when the pool isn't even filled yet.

 

[MDFINFAN]

You put your finger on it! I don't think AJ has the head to be a good QB.

He does, but you too would be thinking a lot if it's your first time running a O, last year and now this year...think about it..until you get comfortable doing something for a period of time, it doesn't become 2nd nature...Will you guys think about that...the guy hasn't been in one system since he's gotten here and then he has to share reps at that... :shakeno:

 

[thedayafter]

In response to the coordinator....

• Frerotte continues to take all the reps with the first team offense and Feeley with the second team offense... what could be more clear?
• Do we have QB issues... yes. But indeed we did need to find out if Feeley could play... and the jury is still out. Lets not forget that Frerotte has started many games in the NFL and if memory serves went to the PB (could be wrong), he has also produced coming off the bench.
• In regards to "wasted" year of development I fail to see what the other options were. A team with many holes to fill... limited picks... and no clear cut "franchise QB's" at our spots what would you have us do... waste a pick on a project when we could geta project off UDFA.
• You fail to "get" the fact that at the very least Frerotte has helped the offense function in the OTA's, in camp and the pre-season. Our WR's would be out in the cold with all new QB's learning the system.
• We need a QB imo no matter what happens this season.
• The process is going to take time
• The team is going to need both QB's this season imo.
• I don't have an agenda for either guy... the guy that can best manage the offense and protect the ball is the guy... period.
• But to read your post and your position you would think the success of the 2005 team and it's future revolves around Feeley.... and there is NOTHING to support that position except your opinion.

 

[Dolphin North]

:clap: :clap: :clap: great post man, i totally agree with you. gus shouldn't be here to start for this team and lead them to 1 or 2 more wins. He should be here to help AJ with the system when necessary because he's had experience in it. Now i dont think that gus is playing all that poorly this preseason, i'll hand alot of the blame to the offensive line for the one fumble against the steelers, AJ needs to be in there just because this is a rebuilding year, and if we start gus it is a 100 percent guarantee we need a quarterback in next years draft/FA. If we start AJ this year its not quite that high. If the O line can protect AJ i honestly believe he won't make many mistakes, granted he has performed horribly when not protected, but you really can't expect him to throw 30 TD's when he has to constantly be worried about getting crushed. Even with all the weapons we have their no good to us if we haven't the time to use them..

So we understand that. Why don't the Gus fans get that. Why the short term thinking? And why do the coaches plan on starting Gus? So he can take the pounding until AJ learns more and the line improves? Maybe. That would make sense. I'm not saying AJ is a superstar, but why not protect what is our best hope for the next couple of years. Gus only has a short career left anyway. Cruel, but possibly true IMO.

 

[Hostile 17]

Like I said, of the many many horrible excuses for Feeley lack of success throughout his entire career, this is by far the worst.

Well, thanks for devoting your usual amount of intellectual rigor to a qualified response.

:down:

 

[NorFlaFin]

No sense throwing him into the deep in when the pool isn't even filled yet.

Thats the best analogy on this subject, I've seen.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

Very well said. The team doesn't know yet what they have in Feeley and they need to play him to see if he can elevate his game. In my opinion, if Gus starts it means the team has to draft/trade/acquire a qb next offseason. It's essentially giving up on Feeley and it might be too soon to do that.

 

[Jimmy James]

Very well said. The team doesn't know yet what they have in Feeley and they need to play him to see if he can elevate his game. In my opinion, if Gus starts it means the team has to draft/trade/acquire a qb next offseason. It's essentially giving up on Feeley and it might be too soon to do that.

Can't we use this logic to unseat any veteran who isn't a Pro Bowler? Let's take Sam Madison as an example. We know he doesn't tackle and has some other annoying habits. Why not throw in Deandre Eiland and see what the team has there? What's the difference? What the team paid for AJ? I reject that -- it's the type of management that leads to poor results.

 

[touborg]

Well, thanks for devoting your usual amount of intellectual rigor to a qualified response.

:down:

That wasn't a qualified responce, and since you seem to be resorting to one line namecalling or close to it, that statement makes you look like a hypocrite.

 

[Hostile 17]

That wasn't a qualified responce, and since you seem to be resorting to one line namecalling or close to it, that statement makes you look like a hypocrite.

At least I know how to spell 'response'.

 

[FinSinceBirth]

I have one thing to say about about Gus and that is the head butt into the enzone. And I will say it becuz of this from one of the articles on weirdest sports injury.

Gus Frerotte uses his head, 1997.
NFL players are always told that when they get to the end zone, to act like they've been there before. Well, Redskins quarterback Frerotte really did not know how to act after his third career rushing touchdown. After his late November one-yard touchdown run, Gus deliberately smacked his head against the stadium wall beyond the end zone. The $18 million dollar quarterback was taken to the hospital with neck pain, missing the second half of the most important game of the season (against the Giants) and was never really the same afterward.

In fact, gus appeared in the pro bowl in 1996, which was a year before the wall incident. So I'm sure that it did affect him in a way. And after that and 12 years in the NFL I doubt he will ever return to the pro bowl before he retires.


Edit. After 12 years Gus has a record of 23-24-1. Not a very good record if you ask me.

 

[touborg]

At least I know how to spell 'response'.

That's mature for a 37 year old. Thanks for proving my previous point.

Oh and English is my 3rd language, out of 4 I speak and write almost fluently.

 

[Hostile 17]

That's mature for a 37 year old. Thanks for proving my previous point.

Oh and English is my 3rd language, out of 4 I speak and write almost fluently.

And thanks for proving my point by continuing to add nothing meaningful to the debate.
:bravo: