Luke Kuechly on Tannehill: "He made some incredible throws"

[joeharley666]

Sure, if we had a great TE and great Running Game, we would be much better. But then, you can probably plug n play ANY QB into that offense. When the offense is lacking in other areas, that's the test of a great QB. Can he compensate? Can he win games for you? Like Cam just did? (And Cam's not even great but he still brought his team back).

Tannehill was off target on several throws, even the ones Wallace caught. After Wallace scord in the first quarter, we should have put the pedal to the metal. Instead, on our next possession, we ran for no yards and Tanny's pass to Rishard Matthews was incomplete, and we punted. On the next one after that, Wallace came up with another huge reception, and we got down to the 20 yard line. Then instead of scoring a TD, the drive died because of yet another incompleted pass to Matthews and more crappy run yardage. Later on, we were down at the 5 yard line, and settled for a FG, because again, we couldn't complete a pass.

What in that did you see was not at least partially, Ryan Tannehill's fault? He throws the passes, makes the reads. He chooses a run or pass play on every down.

We're not watching Madden, we're watching the game!

Really? I didn't say we needed a "great" running game or a "great" TE, we just need a running game and a TE
Thill is fine right now, you can't judge him yet with the little he has to work with. Let's face it, all the "pro analysts" thought he should sit for a few years but in our reality he's a raw QB who is learning on the job without the rest of the offense in front of him or behind him.

 

[NCFINFAN13]

Wallace was at the right hashmark when the ball was thrown on that last play, and it was thrown to the left hashmark where only Wallace and the guy in coverage could get in on the play. Wallace turned himself around several times while the ball was in the air. You want to blame the QB for that, go ahead.

I do. Proper placement and Wallace doesn't have to twist and turn. I'm sure they practiced that plenty so I don't think Mr. "One Trick Pony" deviated from the plan much.

 

[HoneyB]

I feel like this is groundhog day, and everyone's blaming Brandon Marshall and finding 1,000 faults with him. Meanwhile, he's lighting it up on another team. Obviously Marshall wasn't the problem. But you want me to believe that this time, Wallace is. And I suppose Rishard Matthews is the problem too, because he didn't catch a bunch of balls. The QB has nothing to do with it!

 

[NCFINFAN13]

Anther thing that is frustrating is that these receivers get absolutely NO YAC... Every other team I see has receivers making ridiculous YAC. Some of these are on Tannehill like the 1st Wallace under throw, but most seem to be due to play design or failure of the receiver to shrug any tackles. It is very frustrating to watch.

Another reason I think our coach's suck.

 

[HoneyB]

Really? I didn't say we needed a "great" running game or a "great" TE, we just need a running game and a TE
Thill is fine right now, you can't judge him yet with the little he has to work with. Let's face it, all the "pro analysts" thought he should sit for a few years but in our reality he's a raw QB who is learning on the job without the rest of the offense in front of him or behind him.

I never said he wasn't raw. But you can't have it both ways. You can't claim he's raw and at the same time not responsible for the plays on the field.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I do. Proper placement and Wallace doesn't have to twist and turn. I'm sure they practiced that plenty so I don't think Mr. "One Trick Pony" deviated from the plan much.

Mike Wallace has consistently demonstrated a poor ability to read, understand, and adjust to coverage during his time with the Miami Dolphins. I've said before that some of his 'drops' are really just him attempting to contort his body and make impossible catches because he ran the route the wrong way in the first place. The ball is often thrown away from coverage and Wallace breaks into it. I don't think you can assume that Wallace wasn't supposed to go more vertical there.

I just think it's crazy that we can be handed a reason for optimism in this ****-sandwich of a season and the reaction is to shred the QB for being unable to make physically impossible throws.

 

[joeharley666]

I never said he wasn't raw. But you can't have it both ways. You can't claim he's raw and at the same time not responsible for the plays on the field.

Then if you agree that he's raw and has NO TOOLS to work with and is putting up points under bad play calling with half the time being on his backside with sacks, then how can you point out that Thill is a problem??? Seems to me you answered your own criticism with this response.
He is a second year QB who had 19 starts in college under a terrible HC. Sorry but Thill is not to be judged......yet

 

[MP-Omnis]

Luke Keuchly is probably the best player from that draft class. Wish we had the luxury of picking him, because he was there for the taking.

 

[NCFINFAN13]

Mike Wallace has consistently demonstrated a poor ability to read, understand, and adjust to coverage during his time with the Miami Dolphins. I've said before that some of his 'drops' are really just him attempting to contort his body and make impossible catches because he ran the route the wrong way in the first place. The ball is often thrown away from coverage and Wallace breaks into it. I don't think you can assume that Wallace wasn't supposed to go more vertical there.

I just think it's crazy that we can be handed a reason for optimism in this ****-sandwich of a season and the reaction is to shred the QB for being unable to make physically impossible throws.

Believe me I shred Wallace hard too for all the reasons you mentioned that's why I'm a broken record on this coaching staff sucking. Maybe Wallace screwed this throw up, maybe Tanney, maybe both, but what ever the case .... let's leave that specific throw alone, Tanney made some beautiful throws yesterday, but he made some God awful ones as well. He also made some poor decisions and that's my point. Every QB is going to make mistakes. Every QB is going to make poor reads or poor throws. Tanney does that every game. If it's not one thing it's another. He was lucky not to come out of yesterdays game with 3 more pics on him.

My contention that he is inconsistent perhaps should be rethought ... he IS consistent. At being inconsistent. And in the end ... that's what I criticize him for.

 

[HoneyB]

Then if you agree that he's raw and has NO TOOLS to work with and is putting up points under bad play calling with half the time being on his backside with sacks, then how can you point out that Thill is a problem??? Seems to me you answered your own criticism with this response.

I didn't say he had no tools, you did. He certainly does have tool, we gave him that this year. But as I said, you can't make excuses for him by saying "he's raw" and has limited college starts, and then claim those facts have zero affect on the field. That's what I meant. I'm not playing a blame game, I'm saying that Ryan Tannehill playing under center for the Miami Dolphins is having a very measurable, and visible effect. We saw it last night, when he got enough protection, Wallace had a great game, Hartline caught his share, the defense put them in great field position, and even Tannehill had a good game (for him), and we still were unable to score touchdowns when we needed them.

"The Dolphins are now the only team in the NFL that hasn’t scored more than 27 points in a game. It’s a bit of stunner considering Coach Joe Philbin and his staff came to Miami with reputations as offensive gurus." - See more at: http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thed...ing-td-see-for-yourself/#sthash.8pKBEqK0.dpuf

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

He also made some poor decisions and that's my point. Every QB is going to make mistakes. Every QB is going to make poor reads or poor throws. Tanney does that every game. If it's not one thing it's another. He was lucky not to come out of yesterdays game with 3 more pics on him.

Don't overexaggerate, he should have had two interceptions, not four.

I actually think he has been consistent about when he makes his bad decisions. He makes them when he's scrambling to his right. Go back to the Jets game last year, the Seattle game last year, the Chargers game, and now this game.

That's good, because that's coachable. Identify an area where the mistakes are consistent, and fix it.

 

[Miami 13]

0 points in the 2nd half. That's all on the offense. Tanny couldn't get it done again. Coaching was awful, defense let up at the worst time. Same old, same old.

 

[bird33]

29th in espn's qbr. thats the real gauge because it takes into account clutch play, not having good stats the first 3 quarters then folding in the 4th like the passer rating stat does. 29th! how can ANYONE on here defend that or say hes making progress??

 

[NCFINFAN13]

Don't overexaggerate, he should have had two interceptions, not four.

I actually think he has been consistent about when he makes his bad decisions. He makes them when he's scrambling to his right. Go back to the Jets game last year, the Seattle game last year, the Chargers game, and now this game.

That's good, because that's coachable. Identify an area where the mistakes are consistent, and fix it.

Dude I'm sorry ... Tanney is an equal opportunity bad decision maker. Not saying he makes bad decisions all the time, but he makes them consistently from the pocket just as well.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Dude I'm sorry ... Tanney is an equal opportunity bad decision maker. Not saying he makes bad decisions all the time, but he makes them from the pocket just as well.

I'm not saying he doesn't make bad decisions from the pocket. All QBs make bad decisions sometimes, and young quarterbacks especially. What I'm saying is that he consistently makes his worst decisions on the run.

I can give you multiple specific plays if you really want them. It's a trend. I look for trends when I'm trying to evaluate these guys.