Marino was great, but Sammy Baugh is the greatest QB of all time

[Vessel17]

This thread smells trollish to me.

A troll would just say that Kelly was better. I hate the 'Skins, but I respect and appreciate the history of the game. Baugh was a vital to the NFL as Halas, Thorpe, and Red Grange.

 

[byroan]

A troll would just say that Kelly was better. I hate the 'Skins, but I respect and appreciate the history of the game. Baugh was a vital to the NFL as Halas, Thorpe, and Red Grange.

No, a troll would post on this site and say a QB like Baugh was better than Marino.

 

[Roman529]

Your thread is like saying Bob Cousy was a better guard than Michael Jordan.....you cant compare the two.

 

[Sgt.FinFan]

A troll would just say that Kelly was better. I hate the 'Skins, but I respect and appreciate the history of the game. Baugh was a vital to the NFL as Halas, Thorpe, and Red Grange.

A troll would come on here the day Marino is going into the HOF and
start sh*t like this. Just like a troll would be someone who goes to a
bills site yesterday and bashes Kelly. There is a time and place for
things.

 

[Vessel17]

No, a troll would post on this site and say a QB like Baugh was better than Marino.

Prove me wrong... did Marino change the game like Baugh did? Victories, Championships, and stats are great. But lasting change and impact to a sport is what defines greatness. That's why Mike Ditka and Kellen Winslow Sr. will always be the greatest TE's. Don Hutson will be the greatest WR.

 

[StLouisFinFan]

Congratulations on Dan's Hall of Fame Day! It is well deserved, however all this talk about him being the "Greatest Ever" is misguided. Here's a history lesson.

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/Top_100_Players/Top_100_Players_3_Sammy_Baugh.htm

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http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Baugh_Sammy.html



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Baugh defined the QB position in professional football. Marino might be the greatest QB of his era but Baugh is the greatest ever. No one will ever do as much for the game or master it as much as Baugh did.

The premise of your argument for Baugh is consistently founded upon the fact that:
a) he could throw the ball well (just like a thousand other NFL QBs)
b) he did it when nobody else had figured it out yet...he was the first real passing QB

Those points are well taken, but being the first to do something shouldn't be such a huge multiplying factor. There are so many other things that would have to be accounted for as well, if you're being fair:
a) Did the same "newness" of Baugh's abilities enhance his probability of success?...i.e. Baugh is lauded for being the first QB to use the forward pass, and that's great, but that means opposing defenses weren't as prepared to defend it, b/c it was a new thing...and Baugh benefited from it.
b)Baugh played when defensive schemes, and offensive schemes were much simpler.

I'm not taking from Baugh's accomplishments, he deserves to be in the HOF, but don't launch the guy forward of DM/JM/JU/JE just b/c he was born first and was in the right place at the right time. When it comes right down to it guys, it's apples and oranges. They can't be compared, or at least not fairly.

 

[Jt0323]

Marino was the greatest...Marino is the Babe Ruth of football, you will never see another like him...

 

[Gonzo]

Being an originator of a style or revolutionary doesn't make him the greatest ever. Was The Great Train Robbery the greatest movie of all time? No. That is a simplistic way of looking at things. It seems to me you are just a jills fan trying to rain on our parade. Pathetic.

 

[Vessel17]

Just like a troll would be someone who goes to a
bills site yesterday and bashes Kelly. There is a time and place for
things.

Are you trying to equate Dan Marino's hall of fame day to the death of Jim Kelly's son?

 

[byroan]

Prove me wrong... did Marino change the game like Baugh did? Victories, Championships, and stats are great. But lasting change and impact to a sport is what defines greatness. That's why Mike Ditka and Kellen Winslow Sr. will always be the greatest TE's. Don Hutson will be the greatest WR.

Benny Friedman was the first great NFL passer. Almost 10 years before Baugh played. You posted this on the same day Marino was inducted, that there makes it a troll thread.

 

[Sgt.FinFan]

Are you trying to equate Dan Marino's hall of fame day to the death of Jim Kelly's son?

I think the point was clear. It's called having class.

 

[Vessel17]

Marino was the greatest...Marino is the Babe Ruth of football, you will never see another like him...

Na, Babe Ruth of NFL would be someone back in the day dude. Like Baugh... Marino is the Barry Bonds of the NFL, minus the roids.

 

[Prime]

Seems to me that somebody is just jealous because they didn't have one of the greatest QB's of all-time on their team.

 

[Sgt.FinFan]

Na, Babe Ruth of NFL would be someone back in the day dude. Like Baugh... Marino is the Barry Bonds of the NFL, minus the roids.

The bills should've passed out roids, they might of won a Super Bowl then.

 

[Vessel17]

I think the point was clear. It's called having class.

You take success in sports and elevate it to the level of losing a child and you question my class? You have some issues dude. I'm sorry if this opinion offends you that much, that wasn't my intention. My intention was to show how great another QB who rarely gets the props that he should stands next to Marino, who I've read on this board to be the "Greatest QB Ever" multiple times. But seriously I think you should re-examine your priorities.