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Martin excluded NFLPA from meeting with him, Cornwell and investigator Ted Wells

GoonBoss said:
Well, you made a point which was fine...Then, when someone makes a counter point it's "too far afield?" Come on now
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I was referring to where we'd both wound up at that point. Guilty people walking free has no bearing on this. Neither does the fact that laws/punishments/etc. are slanted in favor of some.
But I'm sure Vaark appreciates the reach-around. You're a good friend.

GoonBoss said:
And they can do that. Why couldn't they?
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I've explained it already. You don't understand it. That's fine.
 
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JTC111 said:
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I was referring to where we'd both wound up at that point. Guilty people walking free has no bearing on this. Neither does the fact that laws/punishments/etc. are slanted in favor of some.
But I'm sure Vaark appreciates the reach-around. You're a good friend.


I've explained it already. You don't understand it. That's fine.
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No, you stated an opinion and gave nothing to back it up. The NFLPA is a labor organization that is legally
bound to represent the best interests of it's members, which includes both men. This is not the first, nor the
last time this sort of thing has or will occur. The NLRA ensures that every member of that organization
is due the same level of representation.
 
mnphinfam - you are insinuating that the money grab is by sueing. No the money grab is that he still getting paid and keeping his contract after quitting the team.
 
Vaark said:
Sorry, if he has the truth on his side, there's nothing to hide from anyone. I'd say it's looking all the more suspect, but storming out in a dramatic hissy fit as a result of having the same old familiar cafeteria prank played on him that he played 2 weeks previously on a teammate, not speaking at any time to the coaching staff yet immediately to a reporter, checking himself in for a very short and surely non-therapeutic stint in a local mental facility before flying home and seemingly not being further treated, 1100 texts to Incog including threatening to kill his family, etc, etc etc, all screams "Orchestrated, contrived money grab and legal precedent reset" to me :idk:
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Honestly, every time I read your wacko commentary on this stuff, I'm torn - are you so pro-Cog/anti-Martin that you've lost your senses.

Like, just think about it, please! Please! If someone wants to sue for workplace harassment, they will want to demonstrate that they were a victim of harassment, that they were not a willing participant in the harassment behaviors, that they did not contribute to it by actions on their own side, and that they made reasonable attempts to make the harassment stop. How does:

- Dogging Richie back and forth with 1000 texts
- Participating in all the pranks
- Hanging out with Richie on off days
- Not telling anyone on the team about the "bullying"
- After leaving the team, show up smiling on the Stanford sidelines with a big smile on your face

somehow scream "orchestrated, contrived money-grab" to you?? If anything, it shows the exact opposite - it shows that Martin was a willing participant, that he didn't attempt to stop the behaviors, that he's not a victim, and that the team shouldn't be held responsible for his problems! :rolleyes2:

I'm not saying that Martin won't file legal action, or that the legal action wouldn't be justified - there's clearly way more to this thing than any of us knows. But please, please for the love of brain cells don't tell us your interpretation of events is screamingly obvious, when in fact the only thing that's obvious is your own bias! :rolleyes2:
 
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Ok, look, just to set the record straight, I'm sick of all the BS myself. I don't want Martin on the team - he has been an enormous distraction, and frankly he's a mediocre talent at best. Same goes for Incognito.

What I am opposed to is the ridiculous character assassination that is going on here on Martin and his family based on nothing but pure speculation (or your bull**** detector as you like to call it). Maybe he is a gold-digger. Maybe he is a wimp. Maybe he is a mama's boy. Maybe his mother is a fame-seeking b****. But he could also just have a mental health condition. Really.

That's it for me - I'm out!
 
GasPed said:
Honestly, every time I read your wacko commentary on this stuff, I'm torn - are you so pro-Cog/anti-Martin that you've lost your senses, or were just born dumb?

Like, just think about it, please! Please! If someone wants to sue for workplace harassment, they will want to demonstrate that they were a victim of harassment, that they were not a willing participant in the harassment behaviors, that they did not contribute to it by actions on their own side, and that they made reasonable attempts to make the harassment stop. How does:

- Dogging Richie back and forth with 1000 texts
- Participating in all the pranks
- Hanging out with Richie on off days
- Not telling anyone on the team about the "bullying"
- After leaving the team, show up smiling on the Stanford sidelines with a big smile on your face

somehow scream "orchestrated, contrived money-grab" to you?? If anything, it shows the exact opposite - it shows that Martin was a willing participant, that he didn't attempt to stop the behaviors, that he's not a victim, and that the team shouldn't be held responsible for his problems! :rolleyes2:

I'm not saying that Martin won't file legal action, or that the legal action wouldn't be justified - there's clearly way more to this thing than any of us knows. But please, please for the love of brain cells don't tell us your interpretation of events is screamingly obvious, when in fact the only thing that's obvious is your own bias! :rolleyes2:
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Did Martin check himself into the mental clinic all on his own or was he advised to do that? If, say, his parents advised him to do that what advice do you think they would give him on the future of his football career? I don't think they would advise him to continue doing something that's making him mentally sick nor do I think they would advise him to simply walk away from it all, I think he would be advised to do exactly what he's doing.
 
GasPed said:
Ok, look, just to set the record straight, I'm sick of all the BS myself. I don't want Martin on the team - he has been an enormous distraction, and frankly he's a mediocre talent at best. Same goes for Incognito.

What I am opposed to is the ridiculous character assassination that is going on here on Martin and his family based on nothing but pure speculation (or your bull**** detector as you like to call it). Maybe he is a gold-digger. Maybe he is a wimp. Maybe he is a mama's boy. Maybe his mother is a fame-seeking b****. But he could also just have a mental health condition.

That's it for me - I'm out!
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I would say that's actually a pretty fair assessment. Further, I'd simply say that IMO, he could also be from Pluto. It makes as much
sense as "a mental health condition"
 
roy_miami said:
Did Martin check himself into the mental clinic all on his own or was he advised to do that? If, say, his parents advised him to do that what advice do you think they would give him on the future of his football career? I don't think they would advise him to continue doing something that's making him mentally sick nor do I think they would advise him to simply walk away from it all, I think he would be advised to do exactly what he's doing.
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I would say you are absolutely correct.
 
It is not uncommon at all for people to seek council outside their union, especially if the union has another party involved and those parties are agains each other. If that is the case then it is pretty standard to exclude the association from your questioning.
 
Digital said:
Of course there is also the possibility that Martin never filed a complaint with his own union the NFLPA. Possibly, that he never followed the agreed upon mechanism for dealing with locker room issues. Skipped the entire process of a investigation, mediation, and dispute resolution. It is possible that he just bolted, blamed the most easy to blame person and is looking to proceed directly to GO and collect his Monopoly money.

If that were the case, he would want to exclude the NFLPA from this process because he would be targeting the deepest pockets and the easiest entity with whom to settle, the NFL itself. Because everyone knows the league wants this to go away and will do anything to settle this quietly without setting a legal precedent.
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I was one of the few who consistently harped on the Player Rep. issue. The Union is in place to know these things, and has a outlet for its members who wish not to go through team management.

The NFLPA in all this looks like a pedestrian playing catch up. They knew nothing and were told nothing. They have to watch out for their own ass.
 
flynryan15 said:
It is not uncommon at all for people to seek council outside their union, especially if the union has another party involved and those parties are agains each other. If that is the case then it is pretty standard to exclude the association from your questioning.
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Still doesn't explain why he didn't utilize a channel availiable to him in the first place......Unless he has an agenda, which I think he does.
 
DolfanDuBbZ~ said:
I was one of the few who consistently harped on the Player Rep. issue. The Union is in place to know these things, and has a outlet for its members who wish not to go through team management.

The NFLPA in all this looks like a pedestrian playing catch up. They knew nothing and were told nothing. They have to watch out for their own ass.
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Don't forget; There's one party in all this that really, really wanted the NFLPA head position.
 
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