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Matt Moore vs. Alex Smith....can someone please enlighten me.....

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I've watched both QBs, and why the f*** would we spend 26 mil on Smith.... Moore I think is better hands down with more upside....Smith had a decent year last year but by no means lit it up on the scoreboard...at this point draft Tannehill, Weeden or Cousins. Moore can start on opening day, unless one of the rooks is able to beat him out in camp....Use the $ towards Smith on filling another need on this team....

Anyway if anyone can give me a reason, other than the WCO, that were looking at Smith it would be appreciated, cause I'm scratching my head at this offseason....

Oh yeah, as well, does anyone else think if Marshall would have caught those 6 tds that he dropped early in the season he would not have been traded?? Regardless of how Philbin thought how he belonged in the Offense or the night club incident??
 
Would Brandon Marshall have been viewed differently if he hadn't dropped 6 touchdown passes in the end zone?

I'm going to go with "yes."
 
Better question: how differently would Moore be viewed if those were all completions and TDs?
 
Alex Smith sucks. He threw only 17 TD's last year in 16 full games. He is not a play maker at all. With out a great D and run game he sucks just like he did the first 6 or 7 years. F Alex Smtih
 
I agree ! Fans are fans everybody thinks they are a GM in the making.We didn't
Get Manning but really 5yr 95 million who has 4 neck surgies too risky it's football not ping pong will see
How he does when hits start coming. Matt Moore was 6-3 as a starter and three of those loses were very winnable
Games Pats , Giants, Cowboys.I think we should draft a Qb, sign a back up maybe Garrard if healthy , Matt Moore starter
Keep it simple .
 
Moore is so good for the following reasons:

1- He was released by a 2-14 Panthers team
2 - He could not beat a 500 ot better team last year.
3 - He had 14 fumbles last year.
4 - He is a journeyman QB
5 - HE is in the last year of his contract and phins have yet to extend him an offer.
6 - he is getting paid 2.7M which is 1/3 of Flynns current salary.
7 - He does not fit the WCO because decision making is not the best and accuracy could be better
8 - He will be holding out of camp as soon as we dont sign anyone else
9 - he is injury prone
10- He does not look that athletic to me. Not very fast or quick in my opinion.
11 - I can go on for a while.
 
yea, they're both game managing qbs.....why spend on Smith?? Start Moore and draft a qb in the 1st round??
 
Moore is so good for the following reasons:

1- He was released by a 2-14 Panthers team

he was concussed then went 1-4 before being lifted for Clausen on a 2-14 team with a lame duck coach. This past season, on an upgraded team, and with his own legs as a weapon, Cam Newton started 1-5 and 2-10. Had he not been drafted where he was, he too would have never seen the 5th or 6th start that season!
2 - He could not beat a 500 ot better team last year.

Tom Brady did not beat a winning team all season; Moore finished the season 6-3, the same as Matt Ryan, but with less to work with and over that 9 game stretch, Ryan only beat 1 winning team, and that was TN because of that last minute quirky game vs Houston. Sanchez went 5-4 his last 9 games and didnt' beat a winning team. Rivers went 4-7 over his last 11 games and only beat the Ravens.
3 - He had 14 fumbles last year.

Yes he also had Columbo guarding his flank. He did fumble a lot but only lost 6. Flacco lost 6, Sanchez lost 8, Bradford lost 7, Big Ben 5, and Rivers lost 5. Most of those guys had a less porous line and I don't see any of them in jeopardy of losing their jobs.
4 - He is a journeyman QB

So would have been Flynn if he came here as would be Alex Smith.
5 - HE is in the last year of his contract and phins have yet to extend him an offer.
Wouldn't it be typical if he continues to improve like he did after getting his sealegs without TC reps, does great and then we lose him in a Matt Flynn type scenario?
6 - he is getting paid 2.7M which is 1/3 of Flynns current salary.

He'd be getting a helluva more if he was a FA now instead of this time last season. Unlike Flynn who was 1-1 for an offensive system juggernaut, Moore actually uplifted crappy teams: won 52% of his games for teams winning 36.5% of theirs during the seasons he was under center
7 - He does not fit the WCO because decision making is not the best and accuracy could be better
That could be true or not; on the other hand in terms of pure long ball accuracy he ranked #4 in the league

8 - He will be holding out of camp as soon as we dont sign anyone else

Not necessarily. He showed he can play and uplift a demoralized team where fans were actually at the stadium rooting against him. He's got the confidence and now with all this dicking around with other QBs, he's got a chip on his shoulder and will be playing for a big FA payday next season

9 - he is injury prone
Since 09 he has had a concussion which kept him out of a few games after starting the first 2010 game for Carolina. Maybe he came back too soon and that resulted in his 1-4 record. Still putting that in perspective beyond Cam not doing better with a better team through the equivalent 12 games, Moore did play in 35% of Carolina's games that season yet still won 50% of their victories :up: Otherwise he has shown no inclination for injury. :idk:

10- He does not look that athletic to me. Not very fast or quick in my opinion.

I dunno if you've been to games this season like me, but the difference between him and Henne was stark in having the "it factor" when it comes to leadership and rallying the troops. Henne sat like a bump on the log, Moore was on the sidelines slapping 5, congratulating linemen etc. His leadership obviously resonated since with the Fins he started 75% of their games but contributed 100% of their victories, while having the 12th best QBR in the league.

11 - I can go on for a while.
Oh me too

per above
 
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Moore is so good for the following reasons:

1- He was released by a 2-14 Panthers team
2 - He could not beat a 500 ot better team last year.
3 - He had 14 fumbles last year.
4 - He is a journeyman QB
5 - HE is in the last year of his contract and phins have yet to extend him an offer.
6 - he is getting paid 2.7M which is 1/3 of Flynns current salary.
7 - He does not fit the WCO because decision making is not the best and accuracy could be better
8 - He will be holding out of camp as soon as we dont sign anyone else
9 - he is injury prone
10- He does not look that athletic to me. Not very fast or quick in my opinion.
11 - I can go on for a while.

More than half of those are either dumb, not justified, just an opinion, or flat out not true........" He doesn't look athletic to you ".............haha...what ever man
 
Moore is so good for the following reasons:

1- He was released by a 2-14 Panthers team
2 - He could not beat a 500 ot better team last year.
3 - He had 14 fumbles last year.
4 - He is a journeyman QB
5 - HE is in the last year of his contract and phins have yet to extend him an offer.
6 - he is getting paid 2.7M which is 1/3 of Flynns current salary.
7 - He does not fit the WCO because decision making is not the best and accuracy could be better
8 - He will be holding out of camp as soon as we dont sign anyone else
9 - he is injury prone
10- He does not look that athletic to me. Not very fast or quick in my opinion.
11 - I can go on for a while.

I'm guessing you meant "no" good instead of "so" good. But if you're not a fan just say so, most of your list is just laughable reasons man.


1. the 2-14 team was drafting Cam Newton.
2. the last game of the season he beat the jets who finished 8-8, which is .500
3. not good, but he was hit quite a bit. and he only lost 6.
4. He's been with two teams, not a journeyman.
5. being in the last year of his contract doesn't make him good or bad.
6. what does his 2.7mill contract have to do with his abilities or lack of them?
7. only semi-real statement I think
8. he's not holding out out camp!
9. how is he injury prone?
10. he is at least average as far as qb's go and throws pretty well on the move
11. one real concern #7. I'm not 'thrilled' about him as our starter either, but he is better than smith in my opinion and with a good team (players AND coaches) he'll be fine.
 
As I said in another thread...

KEEP MOORE....he is virtually the same exact player as A. Smith...lest we forget that Smith was a certified bust for the past 7 seasons...ridiculous to pay that kind of guy 8-10 million when you have the same thing in Moore..lets see what Moore can do with a full season and an actual REAL coaching staff...i say we draft offense offense offense...something like Michael Floyd/Dwayne Allen/Chris Givens the first 3 rounds and we will be on track to running a WCO
 
awesome, not only do we bash smith but while were at it....lets bash moore....cus ya know, dolphin fans are the best. we like guys who throw our qb's under the bus.
 
I agree ! Fans are fans everybody thinks they are a GM in the making.We didn't
Get Manning but really 5yr 95 million who has 4 neck surgies too risky it's football not ping pong will see
How he does when hits start coming. Matt Moore was 6-3 as a starter and three of those loses were very winnable
Games Pats , Giants, Cowboys.I think we should draft a Qb, sign a back up maybe Garrard if healthy , Matt Moore starter
Keep it simple .

moore was 6-6 as a starter
 
I'm guessing you meant "no" good instead of "so" good. But if you're not a fan just say so, most of your list is just laughable reasons man.


1. the 2-14 team was drafting Cam Newton.
2. the last game of the season he beat the jets who finished 8-8, which is .500
3. not good, but he was hit quite a bit. and he only lost 6.
4. He's been with two teams, not a journeyman.
5. being in the last year of his contract doesn't make him good or bad.
6. what does his 2.7mill contract have to do with his abilities or lack of them?
7. only semi-real statement I think
8. he's not holding out out camp!
9. how is he injury prone?
10. he is at least average as far as qb's go and throws pretty well on the move
11. one real concern #7. I'm not 'thrilled' about him as our starter either, but he is better than smith in my opinion and with a good team (players AND coaches) he'll be fine.

1. still spoke volumes how they felt about him , they preferred to have no veteran backup and was part of reason carolina was 2-14
2. still didnt beat a winning team
3.14 fumbles is still alot among worst of qb's
4. He has been with three teams Dallas, Carolina and us very defintion of the term journeyman'(actually not as awful a term as it sounds)
5. I agree contract has little to do with anything. I do think the constant qb visit speaks that we dont see him as our qb for more than this year
6.quite agree salary has little to do with anything except thier initial perception
7-Not sure he couldnt run wco offense although dont have alot of faith he will ever be as good or better than last year
8- I also agree why would he hold out. There is no option for him but to play noone will trade anything for him
9-dont see him as injury prone either
10-athletic enough, he did some solid things on move
11-I will answer people that say he is the same player as smith. No he's not Smith has kept his starting job and is in some demand while Moore needs to have another year like last to create any demand. hell we want to replace Moore with Smith so that should speak volumes.

That all being said Moore played as well as you could ever expect last year and he proved he is an nfl player I just dont think he is a long term starter in the nfl
 
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