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McIntosh and the O-line shakeup...

ckparrothead said:
Dude no offense but I would be inclined to think the coaches have different reasons for this. Carey has been stellar as a left tackle so far, especially if you evaluate the game tapes. Damion should take this as a sign that the coaches think he is better at LT than McDougle is at RT, because Carey is the star player that's being moved over to solve a problem at a problem position, not D-Mac.
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I totally agree CK.. Vernon is our best lineman and is being plugged at RT to fill our biggest problem atm...

your D-mac is better at LT than Stockar at RT thoery is spot on IMO.
 
finsnchips said:
I totally agree CK.. Vernon is our best lineman and is being plugged at RT to fill our biggest problem atm...

your D-mac is better at LT than Stockar at RT thoery is spot on IMO.
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Why move two players to solve the problems of one?

Why not move D-Mac to RT?
 
inFINSible said:
Why move two players to solve the problems of one?

Why not move D-Mac to RT?
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Because Carey is a far better run blocker where as McIntosh is slightly better in pass protection (which totally gets offset by the fact McIntosh is a drive killer).

So pretty much to stop the mental lapses at RT they created mental lapses at LT.

Houck has got his work cut out for him and I bet minimum 4 of these boys aren't here next year.
 
inFINSible said:
Why move two players to solve the problems of one?

Why not move D-Mac to RT?
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Because Vernon has previous experience playing RT (while Damion does not), and Damion is a proven NFL starter at LT (while Vernon is not). Those are two of the reasons.
 
Brett Tessler said:
Because Vernon has previous experience playing RT (while Damion does not), and Damion is a proven NFL starter at LT (while Vernon is not). Those are two of the reasons.
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Is Damion not able to play RT?
 
Brett Tessler said:
Because Vernon has previous experience playing RT (while Damion does not), and Damion is a proven NFL starter at LT (while Vernon is not). Those are two of the reasons.
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Thanks for the insight Brett. Shifting gears a little bit... any thoughts on McKinney? Is he starting at center because he is the best one for the job, or is it because we need Hadnot at RG? I know McKinney is supposed to be a smart guy, but isn't it disruptive as heck for our offense having your center blown up every other play or so?

Steve
 
VanDolPhan said:
He played DT in college. Maybe the team should suit him up there since that need is very high :tongue:
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Can he punt? :hmmm:
 
BlueFin said:
I actually think were all going to be surprised at how well this team plays against Tampa, I'm expecting a big performance.
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Put me down on this bandwagon as well. I believe we blow out the Bucs. I think Saban has had enough of this mess and will get a win this week.
 
Some people are just too anxious to prove they know more than an agent........so it turns into a big pissing match when somebody like Brett tries to post here.....It happens all the time when journalists try to post here....The giant egos come out and see it as an opportunity to prove themselves.....Of course, they never realize how transparent they are and most of them never even realize that they are not getting their intended result either....
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I am not out to take down so-called giants of the industry, I am here to discuss with people on a level playing field. The reality is there are people on the board that have forgotten more valuable football knowledge than some football media who make their living following intrigue and writing but would be lost if they had to evaluate a game film. I have lost all assumptions that a person's status as an agent or a football writer means they must know more than me about the game. If you want to call that arrogance, then I guess I must be arrogant. In this case, Brett made a good point that Damion has done very well through three preseason games but he seemed to be implying that Vernon Carey's line play prompted this move, when I feel the reality is that it was primarily the play of Stockar McDougle that prompted this, followed secondarily by Carey's experience at right tackle and McIntosh's having a good preseason.

As for why move two people to solve problems at one position, Brett did a nice job explaining that. Saban also said it himself when explaining it, Carey has experience at right tackle. The implication is that McIntosh does not. He was tried there earlier in camp but immediately moved back there while Anthony Alabi was moved to RT.

Also, to be honest (speaking to Brett Tessler now), when McIntosh first arrived he already had a reputation for penalties with San Diego. I do understand the argument about playing hurt and so that would affect your tendency to jump early and to hold, but even when (relatively) healthy in San Diego the guy was committing a lot of penalties. There use to be a football stats site I think run by the infamous STATS Inc. that would tell you how many sacks a football player let up and how many penalties he committed. I can't remember what the figures were but I do remember that McIntosh had a lot of penalties, and so did Kelvin Garmon who was at left guard right next to D-Mac. LaDainian Tomlinson also got the bulk of his yardage running to the left, however. In one offseason, the Chargers let both McIntosh and Garmon walk without a significant offer (though you may know more about that deal than I do Brett) which has led to some speculation that McIntosh was not very highly regarded by his OL coach Hudson Houck.

Now switching to Ozzy, I am not sure I would grade McIntosh as close to Carey in terms of pass protection. I would have to check the tapes again if that were true. The temptation is to believe that Carey is the better run blocker and so he's being moved to right tackle. But, the single most impressive aspect of Carey's game so far has been his pass protection, not his run blocking. When I labeled him I.H.O.P. it was because of his pancakes he got in both pass protection and run blocking. He did not have more pancakes in one area than the other, and his run blocking to me spoke of a guy filling his assignments while his pass blocking struck me as a guy filling his assignments AND doing extremely well at it. I've seen Carey get beat a total of three times (yet to review Steelers tape, SORRY!! I finally got my copy, it will be tonight) in pass protection, and it is good to note that on none of those occasions was Carey responsible for letting up a sack. One time he got beat was a 3-step drop completion. The other two times the QB got sacked by a different defender before Carey's guy could have done anything. And on one of those times he got "beat" he had given the QB a good 5 seconds of protection on a 3rd and 15 shotgun play. Many wouldn't consider that "beat" at all. So keep in mind THAT is the standard I am holding Carey to. In other words, he has only failed to finish his blocks in pass protection three times that I have seen. That's it. That's one heck of a finisher if you ask me. On the other hand I always got the impression from D-Mac that he was a better run blocker at LT than pass blocker. So, I dunno. The bottom line to me is Carey has experience at RT, D-Mac doesn't, and Saban wants to smack McDougle in the face with a demotion.
 
Brett Tessler said:
Imagine facing NFL defensive linemen when you're not close to healthy and tell me how you think it would affect the mental part of your game.
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Obviously very badly if you name ends with Mcintosh. Lets hope he stays healthy because it's clear if he's banged up, it affects the mental side of the game too much for him to be effective.
 
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