McIntosh Will Have a BIG Effect

[inFINSible]

Are you implying that Zach does not play with a unit? Isn't he dependent as well on the front line doing their job just like the Ol is dependent on one another?

Woody goes down with an injury and yet the Pats' OL doesn't miss a heartbeat.

No, I wasn't implying that.

What does the fact that NE has good depth have to do with the premise of this thread?

 

[inFINSible]

we shall see if your thoughts are right. IF your OL still struggles w/ Mcintosh deos that mean the other guys also gave up on him too?

No, it would mean that the premise of this thread was wrong.
Are you awake yet???

 

[Shouright]

we shall see if your thoughts are right. IF your OL still struggles w/ Mcintosh deos that mean the other guys also gave up on him too?

If the line still struggles with McIntosh, then my theory is nonsense. But if they don't, then I can't think of any other explanation. One guy's physical ability alone isn't gonna turn this thing around, unless his physical ability has a psychological effect on the other guys.

 

[Justasportsfan]

No, it would mean that the premise of this thread was wrong.
Are you awake yet???

:clap: That was my point. Are you sober yet?

 

[inFINSible]

:clap: That was my point. Are you sober yet?

BS...

 

[Justasportsfan]

:laughat:

BS...

 

[Shouright]

Are you implying that Zach does not play with a unit? Isn't he dependent as well on the front line doing their job just like the Ol is dependent on one another?

Woody goes down with an injury and yet the Pats' OL doesn't miss a heartbeat.

Woody's situation is incorporated by the theory. When a guy goes down and you know you have a weaker link behind him, your first response is to give MORE effort. This is probably what Philly did with Feeley when McNabb went down.

It's only after you realize the guy is too weak to compensate for that you get discouraged and give LESS effort.

 

[Justasportsfan]

It's only after you realize the guy is too weak to compensate for that you get discouraged and give LESS effort.

Your D might as well give up since they cannot compensate for the weak O.

 

[Shouright]

Your D might as well give up since they cannot compensate for the weak O.

And don't think that's not happening. Pay attention to how they play after the offense commits a turnover. But if McIntosh's presence can change the O, then the D might come around too.

 

[Dphins4me]

If this is true, then we could see a collective surge of effort and intensity by the offense when McIntosh is inserted. If everyone on the offense knows that Smith can't play a lick, then everyone on the offense probably plays with less effort and intensity because they know that even their best efforts will be undermined by Smith's poor play.

If this would happen to be true, then everyone of them needs to be replaced.

You do not quit because someone else is not as good as you. You get them to try harder.

Think about it this way -- if you're in a tug-of-war with 5 guys on your team going against 5 other guys, and you know that one of your own guys is VERY weak, you'll probably pull harder at first to compensate for the weak guy on your team. But if at some point you realize that you CAN'T compensate for the weak guy, and he's not getting any stronger, what are you gonna do? Probably quit -- and that's what the offense may be doing. I'm not saying they're making up their minds to quit, but that they're mentally and physically fatiguing from trying to compensate for Smith..

Also for anyone to say the Smith is the only one on the line not pulling his weight then they or either biased against Smith or not very wise. No one and I repeat no one on Miami's OL is doing their job.

Smith man was not the only one meeting AJ & Gordon in the backfield the other night.

This could've been happening LAST year as well. The line sure looked a LOT better in Ricky's first year compared to last year, and the only difference was Smith. I know we've bashed Ruddy, Perry, and Nails a lot, but what if they just gave up because they knew that even if they blocked their best on any given play, Smith's poor play would make the play break down? What if Ricky "ran softer" (as the O linemen said last year) because he knew that even if he ran his best, Smith's poor blocking would let defenders swallow him up?..

Then they are where they need to be. Sitting at home.

If the offense IS doing this, and if they believe McIntosh is significantly better than Smith (can't imagine they don't), then we could see this offense turn things around pretty quick. If the other 4 guys in the tug-of-war had quit, then they may start pulling hard again when the weak guy is replaced.

And you can generalize this to the whole offense (not just the line), and maybe to the defense too. Even the defense may be quitting because they know the offense can't help the team with Smith out there. After all, the whole team is on the same side in the "tug-of-war" against other teams.

Comments?

You are grasping at dreams. The whole OL is terrible. Also its not the players, its the coaches. Two OL in a row cannot be this bad without the OL coach being a huge part of the problem.

 

[Dphins4me]

And don't think that's not happening. Pay attention to how they play after the offense commits a turnover. But if McIntosh's presence can change the O, then the D might come around too.

You are making McIntosh sound like the 2nd coming of Munoz. SD line was as bad as Miamis last year. McIntosh was a part of it and SD did not try to keep him.

 

[JTech194]

We could see a BIG turnaround from this team this year. Long post, but read on.

This is from a Dave Hyde story in the 9/21 Sun-Sentinel:

If this is true, then we could see a collective surge of effort and intensity by the offense when McIntosh is inserted. If everyone on the offense knows that Smith can't play a lick, then everyone on the offense probably plays with less effort and intensity because they know that even their best efforts will be undermined by Smith's poor play.

Think about it this way -- if you're in a tug-of-war with 5 guys on your team going against 5 other guys, and you know that one of your own guys is VERY weak, you'll probably pull harder at first to compensate for the weak guy on your team. But if at some point you realize that you CAN'T compensate for the weak guy, and he's not getting any stronger, what are you gonna do? Probably quit -- and that's what the offense may be doing. I'm not saying they're making up their minds to quit, but that they're mentally and physically fatiguing from trying to compensate for Smith.

This could've been happening LAST year as well. The line sure looked a LOT better in Ricky's first year compared to last year, and the only difference was Smith. I know we've bashed Ruddy, Perry, and Nails a lot, but what if they just gave up because they knew that even if they blocked their best on any given play, Smith's poor play would make the play break down? What if Ricky "ran softer" (as the O linemen said last year) because he knew that even if he ran his best, Smith's poor blocking would let defenders swallow him up?

If the offense IS doing this, and if they believe McIntosh is significantly better than Smith (can't imagine they don't), then we could see this offense turn things around pretty quick. If the other 4 guys in the tug-of-war had quit, then they may start pulling hard again when the weak guy is replaced.

And you can generalize this to the whole offense (not just the line), and maybe to the defense too. Even the defense may be quitting because they know the offense can't help the team with Smith out there. After all, the whole team is on the same side in the "tug-of-war" against other teams.

Comments?

This logic is dumb. If wade smith nakes the rest of the line play like they have been playing then they all should be benched. No one man can affect an entire o-line like that. I guess he's the blame for Donald lee jumping offsides too right? Give me a break

 

[miamirw]

Jamal Lewis ran for 500 yards on Cleveland last year and only FIFTY this year with Jonathan Ogden out.

That is a fantastic point. Think about what the change will do for Feely's confidence. If he knows he can turn his back to the left side and feel confident he won't get hit, he won't rush his throws.

Which brings up a point about Feely. Right now it seems he's not reading the defense. He's got an idea of where he wants to go for the football before the snap and he looks at the receiver and waits for the break. This is a classic rookie type of condition. It will take a few games before he starts taking what the defense gives him. EG. oh there's the safety coming down, that means the post route by the receiver will come open in two seconds. There it is. Throw.

That's the scenario we want. The growing pains are Feely determining where he's going with the football prior to the snap and then forcing it. Unfortunately, Dave's response is "if it's not there throw it away". I suspect Trestman is amending that coaching and telling the kid, don't always stick with your pre snap. Let the play unfold and understand where your receivers are in relation to what you know of the coverage. That's what the great ones do and it's a tough skill to be sure. You watch Brett Favre and he does it to perfection. Marino was the best at this. He understood the coverage vs. the play called and had great anticipation. Feely, like most young QB's doesn't have it yet.

Fiedler has a little of this, after having been in this offense for four years, but he just can't get the throw there. That's the problem. Ideally, when Feely gets the anticipation and understanding down, he'll be able to get the ball to the right place. That specifically is why we need to stick with Feely. Sorry for getting off topic but it's tied into the opportunity that McIntosh now gives Feely.

 

[Shouright]

This logic is dumb. If wade smith nakes the rest of the line play like they have been playing then they all should be benched. No one man can affect an entire o-line like that. I guess he's the blame for Donald lee jumping offsides too right? Give me a break

Or how about just benching WADE SMITH? If he's dragging the morale of the line down, why not just bench HIM? And one guy CAN affect an entire line like that. If you or I were on the line, how do you think the rest of it would play?

 

[Sal Lisitano]

My Zach comment applies to this. When Brady came in to replace Bledsoe, did the entire Pats team give up on their lowly drafted back-up qb in Brady? They got better didn't they. Antwain Smith was average at best, did their OL give up opening holes for him?

Maybe...perhaps...it could be...that the Pats players knew that Brady was better...and therefore played better for him b/c they knew that Bledsoe was "all done." Oh and now the Bills have him :roflmao: