MERGED:does anyone else feel riped off/upset on this surtain deal?!?!

[Oregonfinfan]

I am upset about it if we had done what the organization was supposed to do when we restructured sam, Patrick woudl have accepted a lower deal to be a fin for life but wanny and spielman didnt do what they said and now we lost the best corner the fins have EVER had and might ever have he was a true "shutdown corner" This ruins my day and if we draft Smith tomorrow i might go kill something.

 

[NYNCDOLFAN]

It seems everyone is happy about losing Surtian, there was a reason he costed so much. Its because he's freakin good. A second round and swapping fifths sounds like a bad deal to me. Sabin couldn't even get one of the Chiefs players for him. Our secondry has gone from the best in the league to just another secondary. I'm wiggin out here, anyone else sad about losing him at all. Cap eater or not!:roflmao:

Listen, I LOVED SURTAIN, he's one of the best, but as we move foward and build for the FUTURE, and realize this it is the FUTURE we are building for we have to let him and his salary go. All the best in K.C, (except at MIAMI of course!!)

 

[DoLpHiNz34]

So, to you it doesn't matter that Patrick is ten times player Philip Buchanan will ever be?

A terrible precedent has been set. The Miami Dolphins are willing to give away players at the positions of value for virtually nothing. They did it with Adewale Ogunleye last year, and they have done it again with Patrick Surtain.

Next thing you will tell me is that Jason Taylor isn't worth a 1st round pick.

Ty Law is 40 times the corner that Buchanon is. I'm sure Belichik and the entire NE staff is completely ******ed because they cut him...

OR maybe his age, salary, and injury history outweigh his value. Surtain probably isn't there yet but he will be next year. No doubt that he's a great player but there ARE injury concerns, he's 28, and costs 8 million a year.

 

[Phintasy]

Randy Moss, this year. There is no way Moss is worth more than one of the league's best corners.

KB...I dig your posts about the draft, and I think you know your stuff on the kids coming out, but for you to compare Pat to Randy is out of this world rediculous. I mean not even close...what in the he__ are you smokin'? Randy is the best WR EVER. Pat's not even the best corner in the league.

Get frickin' REAL. On top of that...the Raiders paid a #1 and a starting LB...

Pat is NOT Dieon Sanders...

Not a fair comparrison dude.

 

[FireWrongstedt]

It seems everyone is happy about losing Surtian, there was a reason he costed so much. Its because he's freakin good. A second round and swapping fifths sounds like a bad deal to me. Sabin couldn't even get one of the Chiefs players for him. Our secondry has gone from the best in the league to just another secondary. I'm wiggin out here, anyone else sad about losing him at all. Cap eater or not!:roflmao:

I don't feel ripped off. I don't feel sad. I'm sorry to see Pat go, but I'm happy with the deal. We got our 2nd. It was the best we were gonna get for him. We couldn't afford him. Just deal with it.

 

[DNY]

Again if this was such a bad trade where have the suitors been. Saban annouced he wanted a 2nd for Surtian, a pittance you say yet nobody came banging down the door willing to give up "nothing" for him. Interesting. Maybe the rest of the GM's in the NFL didn't know Saban wanted to trade him.

 

[redhead]

ECSTATIC...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It came down almost as I predicted i said the dolphins would have to give up a late round choice but it's only a swap...

 

[Phintasy]

Tell me, in what world is a wide receiver, much less a wide receiver that is a malcontent, worth more than a great cornerback?

There are four positions that carry the highest value in the NFL, and wide receiver isn't one of them. Those positions are quarterback, offensive tackle, defensive end, and cornerback. Those are the value positions. Not wide receiver. Not running back. Not tight end. Not linebacker.

In the last year, we have now traded two players out of that group of the most valuable positions for virtually nothing.

KB...this is as simple as I can say it. If we were on the short end...why was KC the ONLY team trying to trade for him? Here are guys who manage teams for a living...and they weren't beating our door down to trade for Pat. The reality is...these guys know way more about talent, cap management, and trades than you and I will ever know. Get over it. The deal is done...and I hate to see Pat leave because I like him, but we got a good draft pick for him and what I think is a good value.

 

[WharfRat]

FinFan013 You are my new Hero, that's the kind of trade that loses fanbase. I thought Wanny was an idiot but ditching Surtain for some edited draft picks. We couldn't get rid of Madison or anybody. i would happier at the loss of our entire recieving core than Surtain. Im so pissed off right now. You know what i'm just going to stop before I say somehting that gets me banned from this site.:fire: :fire: My life now completely sucks. Way to go freeing up edited room.

Both of you need to chill with the explitives.

 

[redhead]

Surtain's knees are a huge question mark..., he had to go to the highest bidder because his asking price "in my opinion" interferes with Nick's team approach. He priced himnself off this team...

 

[DPlus47]

i agree with puffboy earlier. i feel like the madison and surtain deals should have been reversed. and i'm a bit bummed about swapping fifth rounders. at least i sorta like KC and pat will help them.

as an aside: TO is better than moss, imo...

 

[Dolphalou]

I just wanted to say that ... Surtain was available to all the teams and nobody offered a first rounder .... and Surtain has a bad knee. I'm even afraid that he won't pass the physical in KC

 

[Rick 1966]

I just wanted to say that ... Surtain was available to all the teams and nobody offered a first rounder .... and Surtain has a bad knee. I'm even afraid that he won't pass the physical in KC

Me too. That's my nightmare, that tomorrow morning we find out that he failed the physical and we don't get the second rounder after all.

 

[DNY]

Knees, work out disapline, contract demands. 3 things that lowered the actual value, which was obviously lower then thought, of the best CB in the NFL and a player at such a critical position.

 

[NathanHunt]

This "group" of guys didn't get it done. Now, one by one we must remove them. Surtain was the first piece. He won't be the last.

I'm with you on this one. Been saying it for a while now.

Time to admit, while many of us loved the guys on D, they had their time and it didn't happen. We cannot afford to keep thinking "we're just one player away".... at some point you have to cut your losses and still trade while they have value.

7 years $50.8M ($14M gauranteed). This is NOT the direction we are moving. The economics is simply not there. We allowed the D to chew up our cap for years. They had their chance, they made good money too... time to move on. People should have seen the writing on the wall when Madison jumped at the opportunity to restructure after we drafted Poole. The clock began ticking for Surtain at that moment.

There's another clock ticking.... JT. All of the threads about JT's not a linebacker and he's not a good fit for the 3-4...... missing the bigger point. JT's not in the future plans.

Now matter how much you support his accomplishments, his clock is ticking. I don't know what his exact cap numbers are for 2006 or 2007, but he will not see his contract to fruition. Once his cap hit is manageable and there's still tread on the tires, he'll be on the trading block.

It's NFL economics. The days of your favorite player playing his entire career on one team are over.