MERGED:exactly the reason NOT to take a rb at #2/The Ronnie Contract

[TooDrkPark]

great news from dolphinsville as ronnie brown and his agent have made it known they want to get PAID. everyone knows as a #2 pick you are going to get a phat deal, but i think brown's agent is asking for an absurd amount. reguardless of what we end up paying him i will tell you this: if our offensive line blocks, then any of the backs we have can be successfull. minor, morris, or harris. if they block like they did last year, brown or anyone else in the backfield is going to struggle to get 3 yards per carry.
this is why i'm against taking a running back with the #2 pick. DBs and WRs are what i think you should take when you are drafting top 5. they dont rely so heavily on other things as other positions do.


EDIT: please note that the title of this thread is "exactly the reason NOT to take a RB at #2"

it is not "exactly the reason not to draft a player at #2"

it seems that several people have been confused with this. i will try to be more clear in future thread titles.

Calm down, with Miami's #2 pick they picked up a power house of a RB that will be the future of the team's running game. Of course his agent is going to ask for an absurb amount of $$$. It's his job to get his player as much as he can..it's the business of things. Ronnie Brown will be signed and he will be in TC soon. He's very eager to learn the system and get familiar with the offense. To me, that sounds like a player who is going to be very dedicated to our team. Unlike a certain RWilliams.....:shakeno:

 

[KB21]

my point is that in my opinion running backs are not worth the huge contracts. i believe those are a better value at cb and wr, and qb IF IF IF you have a true franchise qb. if our line blocks good this year, you are gonna see morris and harris be just as productive as ronnie brown and compare their salaries. just look at how denver and kc plug anyone in back there and get yards. anyone want to bet right now maurice clarrett gains more yards this season than ronnie brown?

In Denver's system, they have plugged in guys who can rush for 1,000 yards. You want to know the difference between those running backs and a great running back? How many of them have matched Terrell Davis's 2,000 yard season?

ZERO.

 

[thecoordinator]

That is not enough. A 7 and 49? According to the chart Minn 2 first rounders werent enough. Why would we trade down just to trade down? that is idiotic.

If you don't think we should have drafted an rb fine, but dont say things like "see.. we were offered trades..." when the trades were completely in the other teams favor. Maybe Saban meant that we had no serious offers of equal value. you even put in bold they werent giving what the #2 pick was worth. If Saban made that deal, he would look like someone you can easily take advantage of. You arguement is ridiculous. If Saban thinks ronnie is worth the pick, he is worth it in my opinion.
I am happy you have nothing to do with the franchise besides making ridiculous posts.

there is no doubt the #7 and #49 aren't worth the #2. no one has ever disagreed with that. i've got to believe though that if surtain were not dealt we wouldn't have had much of a choice in taking a deal like that. how can you afford to pay #2 money when you are up against the cap like we were(are)?

 

[dolfannjb]

If you read the article on SunSentinel... The contract doesn't seem to be that harsh. It is said to be "difficult" because of the amount of incentives that the contract may have. Now if you think about it this contract might not be so bad after all. Especially in the cap position we are in now. We could put more money than usual upfront to him and then make contract loaded with incentives so if he does make them he will have earned the money. I don't see any problem with that, if he performs he deserves the raise. The numbers of the contract may seem high once reported but that would only be with all his incentives completed.

 

[DoLpHiNz34]

Who Chambers???

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That's different. He's exceptional in the red zone...no doubt about it. I'm talking about long balls. He jumps up really high but tries to catch the ball around his chest. If he would jump up and catch the ball over his head at the highest point, he'd be a lot better IMO.

 

[dolfreak]

Can you give me an example??? I dont know what you mean....when they throw it to Chambers he catches it, plain and simple. The knock on Edwards is that he has inconsistent hands, Chambers doesn't. Catching is Catching, everyone does it differently. When has his "short-arms" ever been a problem? The main problem is that he needs someone to get him the ball downfield, and in front of him.

 

[FIREMEDIC822]

you said "NO SOURCE, VIVID IMAGINATION AND SOME CRACK" the fact is we did receive offers and the #7 and #49 was it...but that doesn't matter the point is i'm not posting from a cracked out imagination with no sources. see the herald article i referenced earlier.

as for our "desperate need" for a running back at #2, that is the exact point of this post and what i am disagreeing with. it doesn't matter,though, because what's done is done. i just felt like putting all our eggs in one basket with a franchise running back a few years ago should have taught us a lesson. now before you go off about how ronnie is not ricky, DUH. the point is that you must be able to run block or no one is rushing for anything. you guys all think that just because we got ronnie brown now, that we are going to be running up and down the field and that just isn't the case. that's why i think the money relative to the pick would have been better spent at another position.

as for the "best cb tandem in the league for 4+ years lol. madison's nickname should be toast after the past 2 years, and if surtain was really that good we would have reworked a long term deal instead of trading him. both of those guys made a living off of jason taylor (and ogunleye when he was here) getting pressure.

Why are you not considering the FA signings on the line and our new line coach. Dont you think the Oline is being addressed? If the line doesnt block what good is a WR going to do if the QB is on his arse all game? Secondly A good CB relies on his safeties to cover him over the top. If you havent noticed our safety position has been a concern for a while so you cant blame a lot of that on Madison. Surtain was leaving next year anyway so Saban got something instead of nothing for him. By the way Ogunleye had only one productive year so that theory is unsound as well.

 

[CrunchTime]

I was against picking a RB that high.I was hoping to trade down and get Ronnie Brown at the 5-7 spot range.IMO only a franchise QB can justify the investment that is needed at that high a pick.I would not be surprised at a slight holdout but I dont think it will affect us much as the RB can pick things up faster than a QB would.

I think Saban tried to trade down but there were no takers so he had to take the player he really wanted.

 

[FanMarino]

Can you give me an example??? I dont know what you mean....when they throw it to Chambers he catches it, plain and simple. The knock on Edwards is that he has inconsistent hands, Chambers doesn't.

Edwards is unproven at this juncture so thats irrelevant IMO. u r right about Chambers tho.

 

[NYinBostonFin]

there is no doubt the #7 and #49 aren't worth the #2. no one has ever disagreed with that. i've got to believe though that if surtain were not dealt we wouldn't have had much of a choice in taking a deal like that. how can you afford to pay #2 money when you are up against the cap like we were(are)?

Isn't that why we traded surtain?

 

[thecoordinator]

In Denver's system, they have plugged in guys who can rush for 1,000 yards. You want to know the difference between those running backs and a great running back? How many of them have matched Terrell Davis's 2,000 yard season?

ZERO.

portis bettered it. in 2002 and 2003 portis went over 1500 yards with a gaudy 5.5 ypc. the diffrence is, TD had 100 more carries when he went over 2000 yards and he averaged 5.1 ypc. the other 2 times TD went over 1500 yards, he was under 5 ypc (4.7 and 4.5).

now, portis averaged 5.5 ypc in 2002 and 2003, then goes to washington in 2004 and avg 3.8 ypc. hmmmm......

 

[KB21]

Why are you not considering the FA signings on the line and our new line coach. Dont you think the Oline is being addressed? If the line doesnt block what good is a WR going to do if the QB is on his arse all game? Secondly A good CB relies on his safeties to cover him over the top. If you havent noticed our safety position has been a concern for a while so you cant blame a lot of that on Madison. Surtain was leaving next year anyway so Saban got something instead of nothing for him. By the way Ogunleye had only one productive year so that theory is unsound as well.

Ogunleye had two very productive years. He had 25 sacks over his last two years in Miami.

 

[JTech194]

you might have had a point until that second paragraph - chambers, much as i love him, hasn't done anything to justify the reputation he has amongst fin fans yet.

edwards is a better player, period and, IMO, he was also the best player available when we picked at #2.

How in the hell can you say than?:fire: Edwards has done nothing in the NFL we don't know what he is going to be. On the other hand I have seen chambers go deep on the best CB's in the leauge so until edwards proves it in th NFL he aint SHI& :yell:

 

[KB21]

portis bettered it. in 2002 and 2003 portis went over 1500 yards with a gaudy 5.5 ypc. the diffrence is, TD had 100 more carries when he went over 2000 yards and he averaged 5.1 ypc. the other 2 times TD went over 1500 yards, he was under 5 ypc (4.7 and 4.5).

now, portis averaged 5.5 ypc in 2002 and 2003, then goes to washington in 2004 and avg 3.9 ypc. hmmmm......

Portis didn't get 2,000 yards, so he didn't better it. Denver has not had a back that can match TD's production in that system. That's the difference great backs make.

 

[rafael]

yeah but look at the OL we had in front of Lamar Smith then? Not the shambles we had to watch last season and Defense comes into it concerning SB's.

That OL wasn't great. And our OL will improve by just gaining experience and with better coaching. If it remains in the same shambles it was even a "special" RB is screwed.

Sure, defense is important, but the point is you don't NEED a "special" RB.