Merged: Finding A Quarterback

[CanadaPhinsFan]

Green Bay cut him folks! yes the same Green Bay that developes many quarterbacks (Brooks & Hasslebeck to name a couple). Couch couldn't even stick as a number 3!!!! He is the equivilent to a RB cut from Denver's roster IMO. Why couldn't he succeed where so many others have?

Don't panic, because then you reach and dig yourself a bigger hole. Trading is not an option either. We'll over pay again and possibly look worse. It has to be via the draft or Free Agency next year.

He was cut by GB because of arm problems that have apparently been corrected by surgery. It had nothing to do with talent or potential. He was cut because he was injured.

 

[CanadaPhinsFan]

It seems to me that we could have drafted Brees, but didn't. I really thought then that we should have, because the problem then is the same problem now.

-c

And if Brees had struggled here like he did early in SD, we would have been calling for his head.

 

[Raekwon The Che]

And if Brees had struggled here like he did early in SD, we would have been calling for his head.

He had no talent in SD.

 

[CanadaPhinsFan]

He had no talent in SD.

About the same as it would have been here. Didn't SD have LT, or was that the year after they drafted Brees?

EDIT: I just checked and SD had LT in Bree's 1st season, we didn't have Ricky yet.

 

[Dolfan81]

OK, you named 5 players. Now, how many QBs over the past 8 years or so that went undrafted were never heard from again? There are a few Cinderella stories, and you hear a lot about them for a reason...because they so very rare. Its fine to take one of these nobodys and give them a shot on the practice squad to see what happens, but you really dont want to count on them to be the "future of your francise" simply because 5 QBs out of several hundred(or thousand) beat the odds. To do so would be like quitting your job because you expect to win the lottery next week.

the diffence between berlin and all the hundreds of other QBs that didnt make it is that berlin actually looks good in preseason all the others failed because the didnt have the talent in the preseason the make it to the regular season. as of rite now berlin has one less game then feeley but his stats are better, that usally means he is playing good

 

[WitheringPlant]

man you All are looking Outside thepin At QB's i think Dolphins Up and comeing QB is already in miami ppl i have a feeling if Brock is Kept after preseason that is the the key to the dolphins future and could Be A starter next season if he can get alittle more plying time in Preseason Im sorry But feely has to go He still hasnt learned to scamble and his acc. is crap Gus is ok but Sage And Brock Are better in my opinion I think Brock Berlin is our P.rivers Eli manning or Dare i Say Mike vick with right Help He canbe the Next great NFL QB

Not One person metioned Brock In thier post thats Sad we have the Answer right in front of us Gus Or Feely have got to go

Periods can be used to end sentences too.:D

 

[yankeehillbilly]

the diffence between berlin and all the hundreds of other QBs that didnt make it is that berlin actually looks good in preseason all the others failed because the didnt have the talent in the preseason the make it to the regular season. as of rite now berlin has one less game then feeley but his stats are better, that usally means he is playing good

So your stance is that Miami should forget about finding an upgrade at QB and put the fate of the team on Brock Berlin?

Berlin played in 2 preseason games against defenders that for the most part wont even be in the NFL in a couple of weeks. Plus, he was in a "pass every down" situation which gave him a lot of attempts, and thus more stats. When facing stronger opposition in practice, all reports that I have seen have said that Berlin was struggling to do anything right.

Im not saying we should completely give up on Berlin. Put him on the practice squad and see what develops. What I am saying is that any longshot hopes you may have for Berlin should not dissuade you from looking for a more talented QB that has a more realistic chance of becoming "Miami's future"

BTW.....do you really believe that there were never any other undrafted QBs that looked OK in a couple of preseason games?

 

[JoeRobStad4ever]

I think Matt Schaub over in Atlanta is ready to be starting for some team. All he does is light things up in the preseason. Golic was saying last week that he could be starting for some team and that Atlanta won't be able to hide him behind Vick for long. He's young (2nd year), big (6'5") and has a big arm. Anyone got any thoughts on Schaub?

 

[SmokinGunz]

Berlin is good, but not that good, he needs to develop more. This is not UM where he throws the deep bomb and he has a faster than light WR. Maybe they should send him to NFL europe and have him develop there. How many QB's come out of there playing really good?

 

[djfresh47]

I believe that Saban will want to bring in "his own guy," and like every other team with QB problems, it's gonna take time for him to develop. If Ramsey can't prove to be a good QB this season, what's the point of bringing him in to start? I would rather have Saban draft a QB, than pick up some other teams backup QB in most situations. Schaub would be a good QB in a west coast offense, I have not seen enough of Ragone, except for his time at Louisville, Rivers I have not seen play except at NCSU. Bringing in Couch couldn't hurt, but the QB situation looks to be a mess right now, and it's not crazy to believe that Leinart will be available when the Phins pick in the draft.

 

[Tim1958]

Interesting thread. As usual in the NFL, any guy who isn't drafted highly isn't really considered. I have never been able to understand this total confidence we all show in the personell evaluation process. Where were Zach, JT and Marino drafted?? How many were drafted ahead of them? Where is Tony Eason now? Brock statistically has far and away outplayed every QB we have, and most of the ones suggested to be traded for. Yet his biggest supporters are usually hoping he may develop into a backup in a few years. Over the last 36 years I've been following the NFL I think player evaluation is highly regarded but much less succesful than a coin toss. I say pull names out of a hat and go with it. They can send all those $$$ they are wasting on scouting to me . It isn't doing them any good anyway.

 

[yankeehillbilly]

Interesting thread. As usual in the NFL, any guy who isn't drafted highly isn't really considered. I have never been able to understand this total confidence we all show in the personell evaluation process. Where were Zach, JT and Marino drafted?? How many were drafted ahead of them? Where is Tony Eason now? Brock statistically has far and away outplayed every QB we have, and most of the ones suggested to be traded for. Yet his biggest supporters are usually hoping he may develop into a backup in a few years. Over the last 36 years I've been following the NFL I think player evaluation is highly regarded but much less succesful than a coin toss. I say pull names out of a hat and go with it. They can send all those $$$ they are wasting on scouting to me . It isn't doing them any good anyway.

Zach, JT, Brady, Warner, etc. are exceptions to the rule. People seem to overlook the thousands of players that the talent evaluators were RIGHT about. How many 5th round linebackers became superstars? How many became nothing more than backups and/or special teamers? How many late round/undrafted QBs actually have had productive careers? How many never started in a regular season game? If you consider these points I think you will see that your statement that player evaluation is "less successful than a coin toss" isn't even close to being accurate.

 

[Dolphin North]

I think its more likely that SD will let Brees go instead of Rivers. Brees carries absolutely no cap hit if the Chargers do not re-sign him at the end of this season. Trading Rivers would take a serious chunk out of their cap.

I agree. My post was gouing to be "You go get Rivers and I'll support you all the way. Now go do it!"

 

[Tim1958]

Zach, JT, Brady, Warner, etc. are exceptions to the rule. People seem to overlook the thousands of players that the talent evaluators were RIGHT about. How many 5th round linebackers became superstars? How many became nothing more than backups and/or special teamers? How many late round/undrafted QBs actually have had productive careers? How many never started in a regular season game? If you consider these points I think you will see that your statement that player evaluation is "less successful than a coin toss" isn't even close to being accurate.

It wasn't intended to be completely accurate. I exagerated the point to show that just because a guy like Berlin was overlooked by the talent evaluation process doesn't mean he can't possibly be a star in the NFL. Kurt Warner was overlooked and ONLY got a shot due to the injury of starter Trent Green. Even after he was on the Rams roster he was overlooked simply because he wasn't drafted. I think sometimes coaches are more concerned with defending their draft picks than letting best players play.

 

[zodiak]

Dolfans

Just wanted to step in and say thanks for all the great replys!

As for Tim Couch I am not oppossed to signing him and seeing what he can do I believe it was Canadianfinsfan who got it right Couch was cut by Green Bay due to an arm injury which Couch is just now getting back his true arm strength, I read an article recently documenting his physical problams that dated back to cleveland.
Using a baseball analogy if you follow the Atlanta Braves they have a history of signing formerly injured pitchers giving second chances it mostly works out for them I believe because of coaching & a winning enviroment.

In terms of Brock Berlin I am as big a Hurricanes fan as you will ever meet, but I am here to say Berlin at best is a 3 string QB I dont care about K.Warner...T.Green...any qb you want to compare him to as for being undrafted....Berlin cant play at a high level.